Ctrl S Until Confidence Returns

Why is this IDEs Editors meme funny?

Level 1: Locking the Door Twice

Imagine locking your front door, walking away, then going back to check it again even though you know it is locked. Pressing ctrl + s several times is the programmer version of that. The computer probably saved the work already, but pressing the keys again makes the developer feel safer.

Level 2: The Save Reflex

For a newer developer, ctrl + s is the common keyboard shortcut for save on many systems and editors. Saving writes the current file contents to disk so changes are not only sitting in editor memory. If an editor or machine crashes before saving, unsaved work may be lost.

In older or less reliable setups, saving manually was essential. Even now, developers often keep doing it because:

Autosave may be disabled or delayed.
Remote editors and network drives can behave strangely.
Build tools may only read saved files.
Crashes and freezes still happen.
Losing work once is enough to create a permanent habit.

This belongs to DeveloperWorkflow, KeyboardShortcuts, and DeveloperProductivity because small editor habits shape how programming feels. Pressing save several times does not usually change the file after the first press, but it reassures the programmer that the work is safe before they run tests, switch branches, close a laptop, or make the next risky edit.

Level 3: Autosave Trust Issues

The meme shows the familiar tempted expression, first captioned:

After all... why not?

Then the thought becomes:

why shouldn't I press "ctrl + s" several times?

The small keyboard inset makes the target unmistakable: this is the developer reflex of repeatedly saving a file even when the editor already saved it, the tab shows no dirty marker, version control exists, and autosave is probably enabled. The joke works because ctrl + s is not just a command. For many developers, it is a tiny ritual of control against DataLoss, editor crashes, laptop battery surprises, remote sessions dying, and that one traumatic moment when an unsaved file vanished and permanently rewired the nervous system.

The deeper humor is that modern IDEsAndTextEditors have made saving both less necessary and more psychologically important. Tools now offer autosave, hot reload, local history, cloud sync, crash recovery, undo stacks, and Git. Yet the hand still moves. The shortcut is muscle memory, but it is also a private health check: "I have committed this buffer to disk; reality may continue."

Experienced developers know the difference between productive habit and anxious superstition is often whether the habit has ever saved you. Repeated ctrl + s costs almost nothing, so it survives forever. It is like tapping the brakes at a green light because you once saw someone run a red. Rational? Maybe not. Understandable? Absolutely. The editor can say "all changes saved" in three places, and the left hand will still file a duplicate incident just to be thorough.

The post message, "Using different hands? Crazy!", adds a workflow-specific layer. Keyboard shortcuts become so ingrained that people develop preferred hand positions, chords, and micro-movements. A developer's save reflex can become faster than conscious thought, happening between lines, after a semicolon, before running tests, after deleting a comma, or whenever the code begins looking suspiciously valuable.

Description

A two-panel Lord of the Rings meme shows Bilbo Baggins holding the One Ring and looking tempted. The top caption says, "After all... why not?" and the bottom caption says, "why shouldn't I press \"ctrl + s\" several times?" beside an inset photo of a finger pressing keys on a keyboard. The joke captures the deeply ingrained developer habit of repeatedly saving work, even in modern editors with autosave, because losing unsaved code once is enough to create permanent muscle memory.

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Anonymous ★ Top Pick Autosave can be enabled, green, and monitored, and my left hand will still run disaster recovery every nine seconds.

Anonymous ★ Top Pick

Autosave can be enabled, green, and monitored, and my left hand will still run disaster recovery every nine seconds.
@ANTICHRISTUS_REX 5y

Because you are retarded.
1. @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Retards never heard of IntelliJ (or any other JetBrains IDE) that keeps a history of changes; disregard if you use VCS in your project or not.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  bloat
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Enjoy writing your own macro in vim/emacs/notepad++ plugin masochist. Or enjoy stories in vscode.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  enjoy crashing of OOM on a 32G ram machine
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  or debugging your toolchain after literally one thing goes wrong
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  You mean debugging IDE? Why?
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  bc you want to change a compiler, for example
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Why?
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  bc you need to, or want to, or whatever the reason may be
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  You select another one and go on. Why does have to do anything with debugging your IDE?
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  oh you can't, bc it's not supported
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  What are you smatter about?
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  ?
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  On shitty 2GB legacy projects I never give more than 4GB to my IDE. Never died 🤷‍♂ what am I doing wrong?
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  4 FUCKING GIGABYTES
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  IDE — is not a fucking text editor with syntax highlighting. That's why. It do things that you're probably too young to understand there exists.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  oh, what then? i'd like to hear, what can i do with an ide and cannot with an util
  
  @dugeru42 5y
  
  Use “AI” plugin for code prediction which uses 2 gb of ram
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  and collects more data than tik-tok along the way
  
  @dugeru42 5y
  
  Yup
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  If you ask this – you do not deserve my time to answer. Back in the day, people used calc, paper, and pencil for arch and engineering, but today they prefer to use SolidWorks, AutoCAD, and e.t.c. Hmm, I wonder why they are utilizing such bloatware. Guess you’ll never know with that attitude. First of all, nothing gets as close as JB’s abilities on static code analysis. Second, go spend some time watching some JB videos on advanced refactoring tools.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  which means you can't think of any
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  also, jokes aside, since when exactly ability to write a macro is bad?
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  If I need to go in space, I'd rather go to Elon Musk rather than start building my own rocket.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  well, elon did make his own rocket after seeing roskosmos
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Rosskosmos is vscode. Agree about that.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  vscode is shit
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  i agree
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  well, now you don't even have the option to make it yourelf, use it as dev thinks it's right (not you), or go find shit somwhere else, look for another ide
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  have 20 ides installed, an go "imma program in java today, let's see which of my 5 ides i should choose", and then after a week go "oh fuuck, it's the wrong one, now i have to rewrite my project bc those ides are imcompatible"
  
  @dugeru42 5y
  
  Incompatible... ide...?
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  also, wtf do you do when you have multiple langs in your project? is it "ooh it's a pyhon file and not a c file, hold on, imma get my pycharm started" and themn go make a tea? or a fucking meal?
  
  @dugeru42 5y
  
  There is ultimate ide for everything
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  it is vim
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  or emacs, like i care
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  You dumb AF. You do not see a difference between a fucking text editor and an integrated development environment. IDE is NOT a text editor, you idiot. Learn it already.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  tell me the difference
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  You're too dumb to understand. You keep ignoring apparent statements. That are quite comprehensible even for the non technical person.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  you did not answer the question
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  They have only two platforms, IDEA (Almost all of the langs except clangs) and CLion for the clang-based. They are working on merging them, but that a long roadmap. If you have IDEA another language is just a plugin in your IDE (with few exceptions only)
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  wow, just like in vim
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  except it takes like a billion times more ram
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Beacuse it is not a text editor.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  bc it's BLOAT
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Okay. I’ll explain on your level: your momma is bloat.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  yours is
  
  @batuto 5y
  
  Exactly
Deleted Account 5y

Try to turn place of ctrl. Maybe fix your problem
@Iggdraisil 5y

:w
@serghei_k 5y

I still use ctrl s even in idea haha
1. @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Do you know what it does?
@cheburgenashka 5y

IDE provides an AST engine for your code which is being analyzed and used for refactorings. I bet you do not understand what refactoring is and why it need 100% of the time.
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  so, it's an editor with autocomplete, code analysis, and refactoring tools
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Damn you, dumb AF. Any code editor can do this. They can not edit code in AST and analyze it. Their refactoring power as good as sed and grep with extra hoops.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  and here you are plain wrong
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Stupid kiddo who is still got eyes open wide on the magic power of the vim. Tho world moves on way beyond AIX/HPUX times. Back in that days, your opinion was correct (except there was no bloat at that scale.) Your opinion does not worth a shit. You need a better argument than saying one word – bloat. You have to say it is a bloat (comma) because (your factual argument here.) Until then, your momma is bloat that gave a useless kid to this word.
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  you do realize that people with garbage hardware exist, right?
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  If I used an IDE, at least 10% of my time would be wasted for waiting for the IDE to do whatever I told it to do.
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  and that's a low estimate
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  90% of my time would be fighting with the same ide that is supposed to make my life easier, but fails to do so when you "use it wrong"
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  You fight not with IDE but your ignorance of it's power and prior use. You're like a belle with the fork. Please don't blame it on a society that uses a fork to eat food.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  it's so powerful i can only respect how my code can't compile with it bc of some obscure setting which i hadn't turned off
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  well, tbh, my ide experience is heavily poisoned bc of vs
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Hehehe
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Well sucks for them. Perhaps they need a better employer that can afford a good machine for the developers. You know what? Your phone is a bloatware device. Why do you need a camera on the phone? A phone is for phone calls. Or maybe you're going hiking with your phone, and this why you need a GPS module? Ridiculous! If I want to listen to music you want to tell me, I need to throw away my MP3 player?
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  I don't need a camera on my phone, and I really hate that there is no cameraless phone out there, so that example did the exact opposite of what you wanted it to do.
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Howdy oldy! We seem to be the only to remember these talks. But I'm no longer agree. My phone's camera better than my digital camera from 10 years ago. And I do use it for video conferencing a lot. It helps with barcodes and QR codes (good luck with your fancy canon or whatever camera on that) and simply going for the grocery shop and use it to please your wife choosing an alternative item when something she asked is not on the shelf — is fucking priceless!
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  > My phone's camera better than my digital camera from 10 years ago. well no shit sherlock. Buy a new one then. > And I do use it for video conferencing a lot. See, you need it. Which is fine. But I don't. Which is why I would really love to not pay 30€ extra for something I won't need anyway. > It helps with barcodes and QR codes Who the fuck uses QR codes without a different method of getting what you actually want? edit: and I've never in my life seen someone scanning a barcode with their phone. > and simply going for the grocery shop and use it to please your wife choosing an alternative item when something she asked is not on the shelf It's called a phone call, jesus. You don't need to take a picture to ask if it's ok to buy Tom's ramen instead of newfoundland noodles. > is fucking priceless! It does have a price and I'd like to not pay it.
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  I don't believe you asked about QR what you asked 🤦🏻‍♂ Yeah, I will stand in the shop describing every product I see. I sent one panorama pic and got it back with circles around the products. It seems like you would like to downshift
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  how many different fucking products are in a store that might be a viable alternative to what's not there?
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  a panoramic?
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  wtf
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  When the fridge of yogurts is longer than 5m.
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  must be an american thing. Here in Austria, we don't need that many different brands of yoghurt because it's just yoghurt, christ. We have literally one brand per store, maybe two or three if the store is adventurous
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  again, I don't need it, but it's fine if you do.
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  There is cow milk-based, goat milk-based, soy milk alt, oat milk alt. Should I go on?
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  we have cow milk. For everything else, you gotta go to one of the bigger stores. (and sometimes soy milk, as I said)
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  😆 I was listing just from a local kiosk store. It seems like I live not in such a hole I thought I was.
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  where the fuck do you live? It's strange to me that you got so many choices
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  that wasn't a rhetoric question btw
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  your address and phone number, NOW
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Address is short, phone is black.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  get 64bit, phone number
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  idk what oat milk even is, lemme google that
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  wtf why would you make milk from that?
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  you're not even allowed to sell that as milk in the EU
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  From what?
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  oatmeal or whatever it's called in english. The stuff oat milk is made of.
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Why!? 😳
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  The best alt for milk ever! It is so much tastier and is so famous now I can't buy it if not going early.
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  can't imagine that.
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Just for the damn milk there is 3 variants of 3 kinds of 3 different sources times 3 major brands.
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  We have 3 different types of milk as well: long-lasting, normal mik (dunno the correct translation), sometimes soy millk, but that trend died in the recent years. Oh, and there's low-fat milk. You still don't need a photo for that bc usually you know what you have to buy, and even if not, there's not that many viable options left.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  you know what? my selfie camera is destroyed, don't regret it
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  it would still be better to not have it in the first place
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  I bought one of those phones where you slide the screen to reveal a selfie camera because there were more of those than phones without a selfie camera, and I really really wanted a fullscreen phone.
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  and I've so far taken exactly one selfie - the metal thingy on the nose piece of my mask broke & I wanted to take a pic of that
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  i never made a selfie in my life
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  and i don't want to
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  same, just wanted to see if it's visible - I could've used the phone screen as a mirror, in hind sight.
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Also useful to find your glasses.
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  👏
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  also, my machine is not shit, but i want a consistent fast and ergonomic experience on any machine, it may even be a VPS which i ssh into, i don't care bc i use vim/emacs/nano/<put your editor here>
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Not a problem. IDE just like mr. Meeseeks. Can doooooo!
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  except for the oom part
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Nope. You can dev local and deploy diff on debug or whatever. Of you do it sdrawkcab it's your fault.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  yeah, localy on my laptop "hello from 2009"
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  ?
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  i have my pc, my laptop, my headless home server, i wanna use the same software on all of them
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Your can't have IDE on the headless so you force vim everywhere? Bravissimo!
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  ofc not only that, i don't have to fight with my ide to pin-point the problem with my dev enviroment
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  I don't undefended that.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  you are yet to have a linker error in your build
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Dunno, people like to use docker and say it solves such issues. I don't like that cancer.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  idunno, teach me to use docker on embedded, also, i can always pin-point a problem exactly using my setup, docker is NOT THE WAY
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  i can always find a problem in a bad makefile, now go and find the one switch in your fancy ide that causes your code to fail to compile
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Gradle.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  yeah, cmake all over again
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Nope, it's cross-platform/multiplatform toolchain for much more and way beyond complaining clangs.
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  I don't use it. I kinda liked to play with Arduino using Clion. I think I can't keep arguing with you without knowledge in your expertise.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  it's basically c++, same story with embedded c++, same story with c++ graphics, same story with web c++
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  That's where Gradle shines. Its outgrown Java and supports many lands and suitable for mobile, web, desktop and now stepped into clang area.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  i wanna do it how i want, not how the dev wants me to do it, i am not subsribing to the "you're doing it wrong" apple bs
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  No OS existing as of today can cache remote FS and get IO to notify. This is a fact of reality, not a desire for someone's opinion. You once again embarrass yourself. It is not IDE's fault that it is not fast on remote analyse. It's a misfeature of any modern OS. And that is the reason why suppose to do it so unless you're a stupid masochist.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  yeah, ssh exists, i can do work on that machine too
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  SSH cannot into IO notify either. IDE can use it to sync diff with headless whole source exist locally.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  yes, i know, that's what i want
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  So once again, after you agreed on that. Where's the problem with IDE?
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  i have to fight with it once a problem occures, or i use it in a config not intended by the dev
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  ok go ahead and debug an stm32 board with it
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Clion worked like a charm, and I had not much idea how to operate it. We just lost responsible dev, and I was the only one to remember a bit of CPP.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  this is exactly the problem: you don't know how it works at least a little bit, you can't debug a problem
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  What? How is debugging IDE is related to your job? You debug IDE only if you develop it or a plugin for it. Anyway, I shouldn't know how that thingy worked. It is not a field of my expertise. I was kindly asked to try because an outsourced guy who developed it and flushed ROMs on-site died two days before a project hand over. A quick search over tools we had and following a first manual did the job. I don't care about the rest.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  idebug an ide when shit gows down
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  you need, otherwise the strange build errors will haunt you
@cheburgenashka 5y

Writing code is 10% the reset is debugging and refactoring. You’re using not more than 10% if you use vim with all the bells and whistles.
1. Deleted Account 5y
  
  ofc, i use external tools like gdb
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  and clang-format
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  This is just a debugger only one tiny fraction of letter I in IDE.
@cheburgenashka 5y

And I will give it more if it will ask.
@cheburgenashka 5y

Against bloateare? Throw away your mobile phone and buy a photo camera, video camera, music player, GPS navigator, walky talky and so on...
1. @RiedleroD 5y
  
  I don't need any of that - that's my point
2. Deleted Account 5y
  
  well, if we are talking about phones, i'd take actual gnu/linux over android now, bc not only android is bloat, but it is spyware too
  
  @RiedleroD 5y
  
  I'd do that if that wouldn't disable pretty much every app ever
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Keep living MLP world.
@RiedleroD 5y

bro if you're trying to argue at least try to read what I wrote
1. @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  That's for the kiddo
@cheburgenashka 5y

How can I be an American using the metric system? Unheard of!
@cheburgenashka 5y

Yeah, it's oatmeal based.
@cheburgenashka 5y

There were days when MS had a fantastic visual studio. But nobody can beat JB today. Not even google.
@cheburgenashka 5y

For clang family, I know Clion handles (how good/bad dunno, not my field)
@cheburgenashka 5y

I believe it's the future.
1. Deleted Account 5y
  
  it's too complicated, the same problem, there can only a few problems in a simple tool, and a crapload in a large one
@cheburgenashka 5y

Not even a Cmake.
@cheburgenashka 5y

Well, when I looked last time cpp had dozens of them and lots of people not satisfied with any of them.
@cheburgenashka 5y

Can Cmake into web assembly or backend in another language?
1. Deleted Account 5y
  
  last time i looked into cmake, it couldn't even compile glsl without jumping throuh hoops
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Yeah. JB choose it as lesser evil into Clang. But then Gradle changed the game. Perhaps JB pressed on them, and that's why. Because Kotlin goes into the clang area and Gradle is the Kotlin's toolchain.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  why only clang? i need my gcc-arm-none-eabi
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  also, i am not learning groovy nor kotlin to build my cpp projects
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Reasonable statement but sad for you. I wasn't obligated to learn Portuguese, but now my wife can't speak in her native tongue to tell jokes about me to her friend in front of me. Now I love her more after hearing and understanding her power of cursing bad drivers on the road. Totally worth it!
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  i mean, i would consider it if it was some lisp or rust, or even haskell, or sth which i actually want to learn, but this is again, spending too much for too little
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  You're so much wrong. Lisp? Really? Haskell is a huge learning curve with a bit of benefit for a real-life (unless you lack such). Kotlin has a shallow entry point, easy learning curve, and it's so simplest to classic OOP you will feel Bri familiar, yet it has some minimal concepts of FP. If you want a hardcore FP, there's Kotlin Arrow library for you. Leave the academically fagatory of the Haskel aside.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  look, that's what i want to learn, also, fuck jvm and everything related to it
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Ah yeah... Totally forgot cpp fanboy JVM hater.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  yeah, i did not forget you, mr "jvm is beter when you run it for 2 billion years"
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  10 minutes warmup. Don't dramatise 👸
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  also, you are the one guy against x86 too, x86 is basically jvm but in hardware
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Totally not. JVM has a spec, and it didn't change opcodes as dramatically as the X86 manufacturers.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  performance-wise
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Unlike rust you can take everywere from apple watch to web assembly.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  well, rust kinda is the goto lang for wasm
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Kotlin not nursery a JVM lang. It's conquering c-like land very fast.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  oh, is that so? write a bootloader in kotlin
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Not there yet. But already native Android/iOS and desktops. Has interop evolving fast.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  oh, so it's not the lang, bc i can actually write a bootloader in rust
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  and you know what is "evolvig fast" too? c++
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  🤣
@cheburgenashka 5y

Clang-alike (c/cpp/swift/objective c/...)
@cheburgenashka 5y

Yeah, copying some concepts like a gypsy trying to steal a horse
1. Deleted Account 5y
  
  well, crtp in literally any other lang?
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  They do it so poorly and slow. Even Java is coping from Kotlin.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  who does it poorly?
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Optional. Show me it in CPP and when it got there.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  optional was in boost since like 2003
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Nativly please.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  crtp in any other lang in present day first
@cheburgenashka 5y

Where's that meme about cpp only adding features but never fixing anything?
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  ye, that's literally the point
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Yeah, okay. I got it. It's perfect.
2. @gizlu 5y
  
  <3
@cheburgenashka 5y

Kaitlin is a beta tester of cool new features
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  kotlin is oop, and jvm, don't tell me it's native until i see a bootloader writen in it
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Facepalm again. What's the relation? There are many other not only OOP run by JVM.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  that's 2 things i don't like in 1 lang
@cheburgenashka 5y

After it works in Kotlin, others trying to adopt.
@cheburgenashka 5y

JVM is like Parrot. Yet another VM with its fixed opcodes. And yeah it can bootstrap itself.
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  it's A VM
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  literally whyyy
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  how many address spaces of an x86 cpu operating in real mode, it takes to bootstrap itself?
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  You're asking the wrong guy. Try asking who's developing it.
@cheburgenashka 5y

Because processors can be changed without a need in a change of software.
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  which incurs major performance penalties
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  It depends on what hurts you more. These penalties might be negligible to other risks. Of support, maintainability and platform mobility.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  i hate to break it to you, but gamers really hate gc lagspikes
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  for basic performance comparasion take minecraft
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  And what is Minecraft?
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  it's a java game, with a c++ port, bedrock edition
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  It's a weird cubozoid simulator of wasting time for weirdos. But call it whatever.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  i am not talking gameplay, i am talking performance
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  It's not a regular AAA game. Even without graphic it occupy shotload of memory just to keep simulation of these cubes. It's a bad example.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  1) then why it performs on c++? 2) why literally all AAA games are in c++?
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Again, there's a Graal to go native as well.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  will it eliminate gc?
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  You don't read eh?
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  there are native gcs, like in haskell and nim
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  but they are gcs
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  nim's gc is basically std::shared_ptr, but it is overhead
@cheburgenashka 5y

Also, Kotlin can be compiled natively if it has a benefit to run natively when JVM is not an option (or it is more beneficial)
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  again, not native until i see a bootloader in it
  
  @cheburgenashka 5y
  
  Again, it's a matter of time. They redid memory management twice. To link between worlds of GC and native. Kinda amazing the level of issues JB solves.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  oh, that's what haskell did since like the beginning
@cheburgenashka 5y

It can AOT any JVM part
@cheburgenashka 5y

It's much more complicated than that.
@cheburgenashka 5y

But a story for another day.
@gizlu 5y

Send in not fucked file format, which is zoomable in telegram client
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I regret every second I wasted reading these two dimwits arguing with each other in the fucking comment section of niche meme page

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