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Hot Take: Vim's Difficulty Doesn't Make It Better Than Modern IDEs
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The meme shows the classic outdoor "Change My Mind" setup: a man with a blurred face sits at a folding table in a campus-like courtyard, sipping from a black coffee mug. On the front of the table, a large white sign reads in bold text: "Just because Vim was hard to learn doesn't mean it's better than other IDEs. It's much worse." Beneath that, the familiar tagline "CHANGE MY MIND" appears in capital letters. Two mugs, a microphone, and a few sheets of paper rest on the table. The humor plays on long-running editor wars, poking at Vim’s steep learning curve and the notion that effort invested equals superiority, challenging developers to defend their tooling preferences
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Vim’s real killer feature is the sunk-cost fallacy - once you’ve spent a decade curating a 700-line .vimrc, you’ll defend ‘hjkl’ like it’s a legacy prod database nobody dares migrate
The real reason we defend Vim isn't the productivity gains - it's that after spending 6 months learning to exit it properly, we need to justify the Stockholm syndrome to our therapists
Ah yes, the classic Vim paradox: spending 15 years mastering an editor to save 3 seconds per file operation, then spending another 5 years in online debates defending that investment. The real productivity gain isn't the modal editing - it's the sunk cost fallacy keeping you from admitting that maybe, just maybe, your IDE's integrated debugger and LSP support might have been worth clicking a few buttons for
Vim zealotry is sunk‑cost optimization: after 200 keymaps and a 1,000‑line .vimrc to graft on LSP and Treesitter, switching editors feels like a migration with no rollback
Vim isn’t better than IDEs; it’s just the only editor already on the prod box you’re patching while your IDE is still “Indexing…”
Vim: Earn your saves with :wq. IDEs: Ctrl+S and pretend you're productive - until the monolith needs remote editing
If you use vim for programming something is wrong with you Comment deleted
there is actually a lot of people that use vim with plugins for programming with extreme speed. There is a reason why it's still default editor for Linux Comment deleted
There is no default editor for linux Comment deleted
ed: "Am I a joke to you?" Comment deleted
Idk if it's just me but I've never felt limited by my typing speed while programming. It's usually the thinking that takes most of the time. Comment deleted
Yep. But your need to compile code manually. And also how to debug code in vim? That's also sounds impossible to work with big projects using Vim. Also most of the IDE's provide a lot of useful plugins for working with:(db, docker etc.). Comment deleted
No, there are lots of plugins like in vs code to make vim work like the vscode Comment deleted
30 years worth of plugins do solve all these problems better then some IDE does. Comment deleted
I would laugh my ass out if it turns out that you use vscode that can't do shit without a plugin (for a shit, and for pulling down the pants, so you don't end up shitting yourself) Comment deleted
Learn english please. It's hard to read what you wrote. Or you're just bad at expressing your thoughts. Comment deleted
Bruh, if I need to translate it to you, maybe you could use some English lessons? Anyway, back to the point, do you use vscode? Comment deleted
No. I'm java dev. I'm using intellij idea. Comment deleted
Understandable, have a nice day Comment deleted
It's very ironic of you to ask people to "learn English" because you don't understand what they're saying lol. Comment deleted
It's not. Vi is default. Comment deleted
nano is also a default editor. Comment deleted
Alt+6 for copy is, *cough*, cringe... and default editor depends on the distribution Comment deleted
friendly reminder: $ code filename.txt gives you vscode Comment deleted
this chat is gonna cancel me for that Comment deleted
friendly reminder this gives bash: code: command not found Comment deleted
sudo apt install vscode Comment deleted
Well, vim is not just a text editor, it's a whole new level of editing (not necessarily better for everyone). Vim is the concept of nodel editing. If you can master it will pay like no other editors could, but obviously it depends on the user if they could harness full potential of vim. Comment deleted
Once again, “it will pay like no editor could”… bro, most people sit for 2 hours to write 3 lines of effective code, you don’t need cosmic levels of speed to be better in programming Comment deleted
Yeah sometimes we don't need that level of editing capabilities but sometimes we need Comment deleted
what ide is safer and more reliable than vim? Comment deleted
"well perhaps programming should be done with extreme reliability, security, quality but definitely not extreme speed", how it's vim related then? Comment deleted
they do, and there are cases when it's needed Comment deleted
basically my comment was about vim, and your comment was off top, right? Comment deleted
What makes vim good is the part that comes after the difficulty. You could make the same argument about all non-corporate software that isn't made for retards. "Being harder to use makes it worse". I don't think so. Comment deleted
Vim lovers are just snobs and tryhards Comment deleted
Its funny you saying that, cause vim users are usually on defenses from snobs who judge their preferences, including right now Comment deleted
That’s something a snob would do Comment deleted
Yeah, like generalizing huge group of people, calling all of them snobs and thyhards, just cause they use IDE they like and reliably worked with, improved and created plugins for 30+ years. You, trying to improve ur self esteem at the cost of other people in this way is just pathetic, I feel sorry for you, and I'm don't even know how to use vim. Comment deleted
Tldr Comment deleted
As expected from a moron, who is doing such things. It's literally tweet size, how stupid can you be? Comment deleted
You can't compare vim and IDEs. Vim is an editor, IDEs are IDEs. I prefer control over what's happening on my computer when I code (especially when I learn something, so that autocompletions wouldn't just make me YOLO it all the time), so Vim is a very valuable tool for me. Idk it's super stupid to compare those... Comment deleted
Well yes, a IDE is more like a toolbox while vim is only a tool which you can transform into a toolbox via plugins. And IDEs are very configurable as well, you can actually disable a lot of stuff in them and make them minimalistic. And, I don't know why no one brought this up yet, but a lot of IDEs have "vi mode" implemented in one way or another, in which their default text editor becomes vi like text editor. And vim isn't even that hard, it just takes some time to get used to. But after you get used to it, it's quite hard to go back to normal text editors. Comment deleted
Omg... Don't like it => don't use it. It's that simple. Comment deleted
>other IDEs vim isnt an ide 💀 Comment deleted
idiotic meme Comment deleted
Vim is so comfortable to use for navigation it's automatically better. And it's not an ide lol, tho you can make one from it. Comment deleted
VSCode is a browser that somebody forced via JS to pretend to be an IDE. Comment deleted
leftist tactics: do not understand it == lets hate Comment deleted
Wow, so that's the reason why leftists are against the capitalism Comment deleted
This are the guys, who can find exit from vim but not the g spot Comment deleted
maybe thats probably i use arch-based distro Comment deleted
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If you start a conversation with "Vim isn't good" you can be sure that it will always blowup... Want a proof? This simple meme have over 60 comments... More than most of other posts all together 😂 Comment deleted
Although I myself am a average rust enjoyer So if it comes to command line editors I will just go with helix Comment deleted
Comments under vim posts be like Comment deleted
this one goes hard tho also if you use vscode stop DONT USE VSCODE USE VSCODIUM Comment deleted
don't use vscode bottom text Comment deleted
use kate-git and compile your IDE-ish text editor yourself Comment deleted