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The Big-Endian Debate: Why the 'End' Comes First
CS Fundamentals Post #6761, on May 19, 2025 in TG

The Big-Endian Debate: Why the 'End' Comes First

Why is this CS Fundamentals meme funny?

Level 1: Banana Peel Battle

Imagine two kids about to eat a banana. One kid insists, “You’re supposed to open the banana from the big stem end first!” The other kid shakes their head and yells back, “No way, any sane person opens it from the little tip at the bottom!” Now they’re in a full-blown argument over something as silly as which end of a banana to peel first. Each kid is absolutely sure the other is doing it wrong. It’s a bit ridiculous, right? In the end, no matter which end you start peeling from, you get to the same banana inside.

This meme is joking about a very similar kind of pointless feud among programmers. The “banana” in this case is a number in a computer, and the “peeling from a certain end” is like how you arrange the parts of that number in memory. Some programmers (like the kid who wanted to peel from the stem) believe the big part of the number should come first. Others (like the kid who wanted the small tip end) believe the small part should come first. In reality, both ways work — they’re just different choices — but gosh, do people love to argue about it! One side is screaming “Noooo, you’re doing it wrong, it only makes sense my way!” while the other side is laughing and saying “Haha, I’m right and you’re silly.” The meme is funny because it shows grown-up tech experts acting like those two kids fighting over a banana. It captures how even smart people sometimes get into silly battles over nothing important, just because they’re used to doing things a certain way. In the end, it’s a reminder not to take these little technical preferences too seriously — whether it’s bananas or bytes, what matters is that you still get to enjoy the fruit (or get the correct number) in the end!

Level 2: Byte-Sized Ordering

Let’s break down what this meme is talking about in simpler terms. It’s all about endianness, which is a fancy word for the byte order used to store multi-byte numbers in computer memory. Imagine you have a two-byte number (like a 16-bit integer). That’s just a number that’s big enough it needs two separate 8-bit bytes to hold it. Now, the question is: when you put those two bytes in memory (or send them over a network), which one should go first? The one with the larger value (called the most significant byte, or MSB) or the one with the smaller value (the least significant byte, or LSB)? Computer systems have come up with two different answers:

  • Big-Endian: “Put the big end (most significant byte) first.”
  • Little-Endian: “Put the little end (least significant byte) first.”

These are just two opposite conventions. It’s similar to how some people write the date as Month/Day/Year versus Day/Month/Year – both orders can represent the same full date, but the parts are arranged differently. In computing, if you and I don’t agree on the byte order convention and we trade binary data, we’ll interpret the numbers differently, which is a big problem! That’s why understanding endianness matters in systems programming.

The meme gives a concrete example in the middle with that little diagram of an egg and two labeled boxes (0x06 and 0xC1). Let’s use that example to clarify. Suppose we have a 16-bit number that in hexadecimal notation is 0x06C1. (In plain decimal, that number is 1729, but hex is convenient for showing byte values.) This number consists of two bytes:

  • The first byte is 0x06 (this is the MSB, representing the “06” part),
  • The second byte is 0xC1 (this is the LSB, the “C1” part).

If a computer is big-endian, it will store or transmit 0x06C1 with the bytes in the same order as we write the hex: first 0x06, then 0xC1. So in memory (at some address), you’d see:

Address:    [ ... ][A][A+1][ ... ]
Value:           0x06   0xC1
( Big-endian representation of 0x06C1 )

Here, at address A (some memory location) the value 0x06 is stored, and at the next address A+1 the value 0xC1 is stored. This matches the idea of “big end first” – the larger part of the number (0x06, which actually represents 0x0600 in the full 16-bit value) comes first.

If a computer is little-endian, it will store that same number with bytes reversed: first 0xC1, then 0x06. In memory it would look like:

Address:    [ ... ][B][B+1][ ... ]
Value:           0xC1   0x06
( Little-endian representation of 0x06C1 )

So at memory address B, we’d find the byte 0xC1, and at B+1 the byte 0x06. This is “little end first” – the smaller-value byte (0xC1 represents the lower part, 0x00C1 in the full number) comes first. The actual number represented is still 0x06C1 if you know how to assemble it, but you have to know which end is which to assemble it correctly! If you mistakenly interpret 0xC1 0x06 as big-endian, you’d read it as 0xC106, which is a totally different number. That shows why mixing up endianness causes bugs.

To visualize it more clearly, here’s a quick table using our example number 0x06C1 (1729 decimal):

Memory Offset Big-Endian Byte Little-Endian Byte
Byte 0 (first) 0x06 (MSB) 0xC1 (LSB)
Byte 1 (second) 0xC1 (LSB) 0x06 (MSB)

In big-endian order, the first byte is 0x06 and the second is 0xC1. In little-endian order, the first byte is 0xC1 and the second is 0x06. Both represent the same 16-bit number, but the layouts are mirror-opposites.

Now, why do both exist? Mainly history and design choices. Different CPU manufacturers chose different ordering when designing their architectures. There isn’t a universal “right” answer – it’s like driving on the right side of the road versus the left side. Each country (or in computing, each system architecture) picks one, and as long as everyone in that system follows the rule, things work internally. Intel x86 processors, which are extremely common (your PC’s CPU is likely this type if you use a Windows machine), are little-endian. So if you look at how an int is laid out in memory on an Intel-based system, you’ll find the least significant byte at the lowest memory address. On the other hand, some systems (like older Motorola 68k CPUs or network hardware protocols) use big-endian, where that most significant byte comes first. If you only ever work on one kind of system, you might not even notice there’s another way to do it. Most of the time, our programming languages abstract this away – you don’t manually arrange bytes unless you’re doing something low-level like writing a binary file, implementing a network protocol, or reading raw memory. That’s why a lot of new developers first hear about “endianness” and go, “Wait, what? Computers might flip the byte order around?” It sounds arcane until you encounter it.

One common place endianness pops up is in network programming. The meme’s title even says “When network byte-order meets the eternal big-end vs little-end debate.” Network byte order is a term that means “the agreed-upon byte order for sending data over networks,” and by convention, it’s big-endian. For example, Internet protocols (like TCP/IP) expect multi-byte numbers (such as port numbers or IP address parts) to be in big-endian format. This dates back to when the internet was being designed and big-endian machines were prevalent, so they chose one ordering to avoid confusion. If your computer is little-endian internally, this means whenever you send numbers over the network, you or the operating system have to flip the byte order to big-endian. Conversely, when data comes in, you flip it back to your machine’s native order. Many programming libraries handle this for you, but if you’re coding in C or C++ using low-level sockets, you might explicitly call functions like htonl() (Host TO Network Long) or ntohs() (Network TO Host Short) to do these swaps. For a beginner, forgetting to do that yields very odd results – it’s a classic bug where, say, you intend to send the number 80 (0x0050 in hex, maybe representing a port) and the other side receives 20480 (0x5000), which is clearly wrong. The cause? The bytes got reversed in transit because one side was assuming a different order.

The meme’s joke is really about people arguing which byte order is better or more logical, even though the choice is arbitrary. The left side (“Every sane person”) is basically advocating for little-endian (because they think the end of the word should correspond to the end of the number), and the right side (Danny Cohen) is advocating big-endian (since he coined the term based on the idea that the big end goes first). The egg in the diagram is a reference to where these silly names come from: big-endian and little-endian were terms used for groups in a story who argued about which end of a boiled egg to crack. It’s a funny analogy that has stuck around in computer science. So, if someone ever asks you “Are we using big-endian or little-endian?” they’re not talking about eggs in breakfast – they mean “Is the most significant byte stored/transmitted first or last?”

For a junior developer or a student, the key takeaway is: Endianness is an important detail when you’re dealing with low-level data. It’s one of those things where if everything stays within one system, you don’t notice it. But when data moves between systems (like over a network, or reading a file written on a different type of machine), you need to ensure both sides interpret the byte order the same way. If not, you’ll get gibberish values. Neither big nor little-endian is inherently “better” – it’s just two different ways of arranging bytes. The industry has learned to live with both by establishing conventions (like network byte order for communication) and providing tools to convert. And as the meme hints, developers still love to jokingly argue about which one is more sensible, often knowing full well it’s like debating Coke vs Pepsi – a matter of taste and habit more than anything else.

Level 3: No End in Sight

At the core of this meme is the never-ending tug-of-war over byte ordering – a classic inside joke among experienced developers. On the left, we have the infamous distressed Wojak screaming in agony, labeled “Every sane person”. He’s upset and crying because, to him, the definition of “endian” should be obvious:

Every sane person: "Nooooo 'end' is what comes last!"

In other words, he’s arguing that the word “end” in big-endian/little-endian ought to refer to the end position. By his logic, if we say “big-endian,” the big end (the largest-value byte) should appear at the end of the sequence. This is the viewpoint of someone insisting on a literal, perhaps naive, interpretation of the term – basically the perspective behind little-endian ordering (because little-endian systems place the “big” byte last in memory). He’s absolutely losing it, convinced that any other way is insane. This melodramatic reaction parodies how developers sometimes passionately defend one convention as the “one true way.” It’s the same energy you’ll find in flame wars over tabs vs. spaces or vim vs. emacs – each side thinks any sane person must agree with them. Here, the Wojak represents those (often modern PC programmers) who are used to little-endian machines (like virtually all Intel/AMD CPUs) and thus feel that having the least-significant byte first is the natural order of the universe. They’ll exclaim that “end means last, obviously!” and find the opposing convention absurd.

On the right, we see an actual photograph of Danny Cohen smirking, captioned as if he’s replying with a simple, smug one-liner:

Danny Cohen: "Haha big end go first."

This side of the meme personifies the big-endian camp, especially the old-guard experts who remember why big-endian was chosen as network byte order. Danny Cohen is famous for introducing these terms, so placing him there is a nod for the initiated: he literally coined “big-endian vs little-endian” in computing. His quote in the meme is deliberately simplistic (almost caveman-like) – “big end go first” – as if stating an obvious truth of life. The contrast is hilarious: one side is overthinking semantics while sobbing, the other side just asserts their rule with a confident chuckle. It mocks the irrational stubbornness on both sides. Each camp believes they have the clearly superior logic: the little-endian folks say “the word end implies the important part should come at the end!”; the big-endian folks retort “the name literally says big-end first, deal with it!” Neither is actually more “sane” in an absolute sense (both arrangements work fine internally), but try telling them that in the heat of argument! This mirroring of two entrenched positions, each calling the other crazy, is exactly what Danny Cohen’s original allegory was about – a trivial difference blown into a grand feud.

Experienced developers find this meme too real because it encapsulates a couple of things we love to poke fun at: legacy decisions and perpetual debates. On a practical level, anyone who’s done low-level or network programming has encountered the headache of mismatched endianness. For example, you might be writing a multiplayer game or a client-server app in C. On your little-endian PC, you fill a uint16_t port number with value 0x06C1, and send it raw over the socket. On the other end (maybe a big-endian system, or simply the protocol expecting network order), the bytes arrive reversed – suddenly 0x06C1 isn’t 1729 anymore but some gibberish. If you’re unlucky, you spend hours debugging why your messages are garbled, only to facepalm when you realize you forgot to call htons() (Host TO Network Short) to swap the bytes into network byte order. The meme resonates because so many of us have made that exact mistake early in our careers. The crying Wojak screaming “Noooo!” could be a dramatization of a junior dev at 3 AM realizing their multi-player game is swapping score bytes incorrectly. Meanwhile, the smirking Danny Cohen represents the seasoned engineer who set up the rules long ago (or the part of us that now remembers to handle endianness properly and finds the earlier oversight almost funny in hindsight). It’s a rite of passage: once you’ve been burned by an endianness bug, you never forget to double-check byte order again.

The phrase “Every sane person” in the meme’s left caption is loaded with irony. In the real world, almost all mainstream computers today use little-endian, so a modern developer might rarely think about byte order until it bites them. They’d naturally assume little-endian is “normal” and thus “sane,” because that’s what they see everywhere (it’s the default on PCs, phones (ARM defaults to little-endian now), and so on). So our Wojak is basically screaming “why would anyone ever do it differently?!” But a veteran knows that what’s “sane” is often just what’s familiar. Those of us who’ve been around remember that older systems (Sun SPARC, IBM PowerPC, mainframes) were big-endian, and that wasn’t insanity, it was just a different design. In fact, big-endian can seem more sane if you come from that world: for instance, it makes a hex dump of memory directly readable as the actual number. The meme humorously highlights this relativity of perspective – each side thinks the other is bonkers based on a purely linguistic or habitual preference. The left side’s argument “’end’ is what comes last” is technically a misunderstanding of the terminology’s origin, and that’s exactly why it’s funny to seasoned devs. We know that “endian” doesn’t come from “bookend” or “ending,” it comes from “which end of the egg do you crack?” The poor Wojak is effectively yelling at a straw man based on a false etymology, while the real Danny Cohen (smirking on the right) is like, “I literally invented the term, trust me, the big end is supposed to go first.” It’s a great illustration of how jargon in CS can sound logical but actually has an odd origin story.

In daily engineering life, debates like big vs little-endian have become symbolic of any persistent low-level disagreement. The meme’s comedic energy comes from exaggeration: neither side in reality would scream or laugh maniacally (we hope!), but it captures how absurd it feels when people continue to argue about something that was settled by convention ages ago (especially now that conversion functions and standards make it mostly a non-issue). And yet, walk into a room of systems programmers and jokingly declare “big-endian is the only sane byte order,” you’ll definitely get some groans and grins. It’s an old joke that still gets a reaction. Endianness wars are essentially a tie – both camps exist, and rather than one winning outright, the industry settled on translating between them. But the social aspect – the cheeky pride in one’s platform’s choice – lives on as a nerdy form of tribalism. So when we see a meme framing it as a Wojak shrieking vs. Danny Cohen laughing, we crack up: it’s both a history lesson and a parody of our own stubbornness. In short, the humor here plays on shared knowledge: if you’ve been around low-level code, you immediately recognize the scenario, the egg analogy, and even Cohen’s face, and you appreciate how perfectly the meme skewers this eternal, petty argument. There truly is no end in sight for the endian debate – and that’s why we can laugh at it.

Level 4: The Holy Byte Order War

This meme dives into the ancient feud of endianness – a conflict that dates back to the very foundations of computer architecture and even a 1726 satire. In Jonathan Swift’s Gulliver’s Travels, two factions waged war over whether to crack an egg at the big end or the little end. Fast forward to 1980: computer scientist Danny Cohen cheekily borrowed those terms in his famous essay “On Holy Wars and a Plea for Peace,” to describe the Big-Endian vs Little-Endian debate in computing. At stake was how multi-byte numbers should be stored in memory or sent over networks. Different computer families had adopted opposite byte orders: for example, IBM mainframes and Motorola processors were big-endian (they insisted the “big end” – the most significant byte – comes first), while DEC’s PDP-11 and Intel’s x86 were little-endian (putting the “little end” – the least significant byte – first). These choices were arbitrary from a mathematical perspective (the value of 0x06C1 is 1729 in decimal regardless of order), but they became religious issues to hardware designers and system programmers. Cohen’s paper framed it as a literal holy war, mirroring Swift’s satirical egg conflict: a absurdly heated dispute over something that works either way, fueled by tradition and compatibility rather than technical superiority.

Fundamentally, endianness differences arise because there’s no single “natural” way for hardware to represent bytes of a number – it’s like languages choosing to read left-to-right vs right-to-left. Each design has its internal logic: some say big-endian feels more “intuitive” since the memory layout matches how we write numbers (with the most significant digits first, e.g. writing 1234 we put the ‘1’ first, similarly big-endian stores the high-order byte first). Others prefer little-endian for low-level efficiency – on such machines, incrementing a multi-byte counter or casting between smaller and larger integer types can be simpler because the least-significant byte sits at the lowest address. In theory, either convention works fine within an isolated system. The real problem – and the reason it became a “war” – is when different systems have to communicate or share data. Networking in the early ARPANET era brought this to a head: if a big-endian machine sent a 16-bit number 0x06C1 to a little-endian peer without any agreement, the receiver would interpret the bytes in reverse order (0xC1, 0x06) and see a totally different value (0xC106, a nonsensical 49414 instead of 1729!). The need for a peace treaty was clear.

Cohen’s plea was essentially for a neutrality or standardized “network byte order.” The compromise? The Internet protocols adopted a fixed byte order (big-endian) for transmitting multi-byte values, regardless of host architecture. This is why we still call big-endian “network order” today. Every Internet packet’s headers (IP addresses, port numbers, etc.) are encoded with the most significant byte first, so all machines interpret them consistently. Libraries and OS’s provide conversion routines (like C’s htonl() and ntohs()) to translate between a host’s native order and the network standard. Cohen hoped this technical standard would end the holy war by making endianness invisible in interoperability – a kind of peace treaty between Big-Endians and Little-Endians. Yet, the meme humorously shows that the spirit of the debate lives on. Decades later, veterans of systems programming still playfully bicker about which scheme is more “sane,” echoing the stubborn Lilliputians in Gulliver’s tale. It’s a reminder that underneath our modern high-level frameworks, these foundational quirks and historical battles still lurk. The meme’s egg diagram and Danny Cohen’s smiling visage nod to this rich backstory: an old academic war story that every low-level programmer eventually hears about. It’s not just a random argument – it’s a slice of computing history, with a punchline centuries in the making.

Description

A 'Soyjak vs. Chad' meme format explaining the computer science concept of endianness. On the left, a crying Wojak character labeled 'Every sane person' shouts, 'Nooooo 'end' is what comes last'. On the right, a calm, smiling black-and-white photo of computer scientist Danny Cohen is labeled 'Danny Cohen' and says, 'Haha big end go first'. In the center, a diagram illustrates the concept using an egg (with a 'big end' and 'little end') and a memory layout showing that in big-endian format, the Most Significant Byte (MSB) is stored first at the lowest memory address. The joke satirizes the counter-intuitive naming convention of 'big-endian,' where the 'big end' of a number is stored first, a concept formalized by Danny Cohen. He famously borrowed the term from Jonathan Swift's 'Gulliver's Travels' to describe the pointless 'holy wars' over byte order, a nuance that adds another layer of humor for those familiar with tech history

Comments

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Anonymous ★ Top Pick The main difference between big-endian and little-endian is the order in which you get unexpected results. One reads your integer as 5, and the other reads it as 83,886,080. Both are wrong because you forgot to account for network byte order
  1. Anonymous ★ Top Pick

    The main difference between big-endian and little-endian is the order in which you get unexpected results. One reads your integer as 5, and the other reads it as 83,886,080. Both are wrong because you forgot to account for network byte order

  2. Anonymous

    Sure, little-endian CPUs might dominate the datacenter, but DNS packets are still sending a love letter to Danny Cohen on every UDP port 53

  3. Anonymous

    After 40+ years in the industry, you realize the real endianness war isn't between big and little - it's between those who've debugged network protocol implementations at 3am and those who think byte order is just a theoretical concern until their perfectly working x86 code mysteriously corrupts data on ARM

  4. Anonymous

    Danny Cohen's 1980 paper settled the endianness debate the same way most architecture decisions are made: by ensuring both sides would argue about it for the next 40+ years. The real joke? We're still writing ntohl() and htonl() wrappers because someone thought 'network byte order' was a compromise. At least when your struct padding is wrong, you can blame it on the egg

  5. Anonymous

    The protocol that “just memcpy’s the struct” works great - until a big‑endian box joins the fleet and your checksum becomes modern art; use htons()/ntohl

  6. Anonymous

    Byte order is the architecture decision you feel only in production - without htonl()/ntohl, 0x06C1 becomes 0xC106 and your postmortem reads ‘authentication broke because the wire speaks Gulliver.’

  7. Anonymous

    Danny Cohen coined 'endian' so we'd politely name our cross-platform serialization nightmares

  8. @Loner_feed 1y

    Need explanation

    1. @kddpq 1y

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endianness The joke is about the universally confusing terms "big endian" and "little endian". big endian=most significant byte appears first little endian=opposite

      1. @anilakar 1y

        Could be worse. My boss, his brother and a coworker wrote a book and not only got it wrong but also mixed up bit and byte order. I pointed this out, and somehow it also slipped past the editor at Make.They're DSc(Tech), PhD and BSc(Tech).

      2. @Loner_feed 1y

        Thanks!

  9. @Algoinde 1y

    Just sort all the bits before reading. Interoperability!

  10. @kddpq 1y

    literally me

  11. _ 1y

    I mean there can be two end but there's only one start. But you're still interested into what comes first, so we ask which end come first

  12. Е.Х. я 1y

    That makes pilots (at least one instructor pilot) "not sane" ... while approaching the runway for landing when he confused me by saying "see those lights at the end of the runway" he was referring to the "NEAR end" where the landing "starts" for a sane person, not the FAR end. Maybe he was a programmer as well as a pilot.

    1. @Algoinde 1y

      I always thought the end of the runway is where the landing ends and the takeoff ends, but I guess it's always the takeoff end for no ambiguity for ATC comms and such?

      1. Е.Х. я 1y

        No idea, i am neither a pilot nor know how ATC works, I just took 2 lessons for fun (or so I thought it would be).

        1. @Algoinde 1y

          apparently he was not being specific enough

          1. Е.Х. я 1y

            Possibly he did not bother being specific for someone who is there just for fun and does not plan to make use of this knowledge, and even if he used proper jargon i'd likely not understand anyway. But i felt stupid looking for light where there were none.

    2. _ 1y

      In French we have two words for "end": "fin" is the opposite of the start, while "bout" is where is stops in any direction

      1. @RiedleroD 1y

        in German we just say the equivalent of "side" (end works too, but is rarely used outside books and pretentious speech)

  13. Е.Х. я 1y

    So does Russian language, has words specific to the purpose. In English we commonly add more words to narrow the meaning of other words. So we just need french Big-Bout-ian and Little-Bout-ian byte order ?? :)

    1. _ 1y

      "gros-boutien" and "petit-boutien" is how it's called, but everybody use the english words

      1. Е.Х. я 1y

        English is like the lowest common denominator, common, but lowest :)

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