When killall electron kills your editor too

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A four-panel Gru planning meme shows Gru presenting cards beside a clipboard, then realizing the plan has a side effect. The visible text reads: "electron app I'm writing freezes", "run \"killall electron\"", "editor closes", and again "editor closes" as Gru looks sideways in regret. The joke is that many developer tools, including code editors, are Electron apps, so a blunt process-kill command meant for the frozen app also terminates the editor used to write it. It captures the tradeoff of Electron-based desktop tooling: convenient cross-platform UI, shared runtime blast radius.

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Anonymous ★ Top Pick The real dependency graph is your process table: kill one runtime, prune half the dev environment.

Anonymous ★ Top Pick

The real dependency graph is your process table: kill one runtime, prune half the dev environment.
@sashakity 5y

it's simple, don't use electron
1. @batuto 5y
  
  Don't use vs code
  
  @sashakity 5y
  
  that too
2. dev_meme 5y
  
  I'm on board with that, but sadly it's not that simple. They can't always use qt5 or gtk3. Also, it's just really easy to build an electron app. It won't be a good app, but it will be built incredibly fast, and therefore also cheaply since they have to pay the devs less.
  
  dev_meme 5y
  
  But it actually COULD be a good app, the point that typically those managers who prefer to use electron just don’t really want to invest time in client performance (while app works at least somehow)
  
  dev_meme 5y
  
  absolutely. My stance is that no matter what framework they could've used, the app would've been garbage either way.
  
  @AmindaEU 5y
  
  GTK4* 😝
  
  dev_meme 5y
  
  GTK4 isn't really stable yet & there's a lot of changes I don't like already. I still need to get more info on that, so educate yourself I guess.
  
  @AmindaEU 5y
  
  👍🏻
  
  @sashakity 5y
  
  why not qt? i'm interested
  
  dev_meme 5y
  
  not as platform independent as electron afaik
dev_meme 5y

yes, but you need to compile your app for every system separately. With electron, you can just write everything in js.
1. @sashakity 5y
  
  yes thats how... making a program works
2. Deleted Account 5y
  
  isn't it actually better?
  
  dev_meme 5y
  
  certainly
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  i mean, imagine catching an os-specific bug early than having an unreproducible bug at runtime
dev_meme 5y

I'm not saying I like it & there are just certain system-specific quirks that can be avoided by just writing in js *eugh*
@sashakity 5y

plus im pretty sure a lot of electron apps do have actual executable components to them
1. dev_meme 5y
  
  some of them. The ones that are actually properly written.
  
  @sashakity 5y
  
  but honestly at that point why not just make a proper program
  
  dev_meme 5y
  
  idk man, because they started with a sloppy codebase and don't want to rewrite everything? The only electron-based program that's any good I've seen is discord, and even that is questionable.
  
  @sashakity 5y
  
  probably lole
dev_meme 5y

You would do that. Microsoft not so much.
1. Deleted Account 5y
  
  microsoft way is to use c# and teliing everyone to fuck off
  
  dev_meme 5y
  
  C# is mostly platform independent nowadays, but no, Microsoft uses electron for their newer stuff now.
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  it sucks tho, their gui still looks like shit (even natively on windows too imo)
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  not that i care much about gui, but still
@sashakity 5y

discord started as a browser based thing too
1. dev_meme 5y
  
  telegram had the web client before the desktop one as well afaik, and they still managed to use a proper library.
  
  @sashakity 5y
  
  they started with the web client? huh
  
  dev_meme 5y
  
  They started with the android app, then had the web client and after that I lost track.
  
  @sashakity 5y
  
  ahhhh i see
  
  dev_meme 5y
  
  I know telegram-desktop started as an unofficial client though
@sashakity 5y

youd think theyd actually update it with features
@sashakity 5y

caching tiem
dev_meme 5y

aye, it doesn't clear the cache properly. I'd say someone should open an issue, but they're busy adding new features :/
1. Deleted Account 5y
  
  it's been open for like 1 year already
Deleted Account 5y

that's c++ memory leaks being c++ memory leaks
1. dev_meme 5y
  
  I don't think they're actual memory leaks. Just badly written caching.
Deleted Account 5y

btw rust can leak memory too
@sashakity 5y

rust be like
@sashakity 5y

hello world? thattl be 2 megabytes
@sashakity 5y

it tends to make wierdly big executables
Deleted Account 5y

nah, in rust you can go Box::leak and it won't even be unsafe
Deleted Account 5y

python segfault is easy
1. dev_meme 5y
  
  ye
2. Deleted Account 5y
  
  and java is famous for being a memory hogg
  
  dev_meme 5y
  
  aye. I believe someone in here explained why that is, but I forgot.
@sashakity 5y

oh right
@sashakity 5y

200kB
@sashakity 5y

i can never remember lol
@sashakity 5y

yea definetly
Deleted Account 5y

you can't leak memory if there is no dynamic memory allocation
1. Deleted Account 5y
  
  you can do void loop_forever(){ while (true) { printf("loop\n"); } } int main() { int leaking_memory[8196]; loop_forever(); }
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  technically a leak
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  i would argue that isn't a leak
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  a value that will occupy memory while never being used again
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  just because it isn't used, doesn't mean it is unreachable
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  oh, and it isn't technically reachable from loop_forever or any function after it
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  and it's never going to be cleaned up
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  What if code in another thread decides to hack the stack
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  you need to have the ref, so not a leak anymore
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  if you try to reach it through another var an some pointer arithmetic it will be ub instead
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  A ref is still stored in your example
  
  Deleted Account 5y
  
  no ref in my example, array is a value
Deleted Account 5y

in c++ i did delete this; in the destructor of a tree
dev_meme 5y

flex some more, why dont'cha?
dev_meme 5y

a fellow german-speaking dude, I see.

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