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The 'HTML Isn't a Real Language' Gatekeeper
DevCommunities Post #2478, on Dec 19, 2020 in TG

The 'HTML Isn't a Real Language' Gatekeeper

Why is this DevCommunities meme funny?

Level 1: Let People Enjoy Things

Imagine you’re a kid building a really cool sandcastle at the beach. You’re having a great time, patting the sand into towers and walls, decorating it with shells – it’s fun! 🤩 Now along comes another kid who’s a bit older, and he looks at your sandcastle and says, “Ew, why are you even doing this? Real builders use LEGO bricks or real tools, not just sand.” You shrug and keep building because, hey, you like making sandcastles. This bothers the other kid so much that he finally stands over your sandcastle yelling, “STOP HAVING FUN!”

Sounds pretty silly, right? Why should someone care that you’re enjoying your sandcastle? It’s not hurting anyone. In fact, your castle looks great and you’re proud of it. The older kid in this story is acting like the grumpy stick figure in the meme. The web developer happily working with HTML is like you building your sandcastle – just doing something they enjoy. The upset stick figure is like the kid who for some reason can’t stand that the other person is having fun with a thing he doesn’t personally like. The meme is funny because the angry guy shouting “QUIT HAVING FUN” is behaving in a ridiculously unreasonable way, just like yelling at someone to stop enjoying their sandcastle (or comic book, or simple game) would be totally ridiculous in real life. It reminds us of a simple truth: let people enjoy things they love, even if those things seem small or “not serious” to you. After all, today’s sandcastle could be the start of tomorrow’s real castle, and in any case, fun is allowed in coding just as much as anywhere else!

Level 2: HTML vs "Real" Code

Let’s break down what’s actually going on in this comic in more straightforward terms. The debate here centers on HTML and whether working with HTML counts as “real” programming. First, what is HTML? It stands for HyperText Markup Language, and it’s the standard language used to create web pages. When you write HTML, you’re writing out the structure of a page using tags. For example, you might write something like:

<h1>Hello, world!</h1>
<p>This is a web page.</p>

This little snippet tells the browser: “Here’s a heading that says ‘Hello, world!’ and below it is a paragraph of text.” HTML is all about marking up content – saying “this text is a heading,” “this part is a paragraph,” “this is an image,” etc. It’s not about telling the computer how to calculate something or make decisions; it’s about telling the browser how to display content and how the content is organized. That’s why HTML is called a markup language – it marks up content with semantic meaning (like “this is a title, this is a list, this is a link”).

Now, what do people mean by a “real programming language”? Usually they’re talking about languages like JavaScript, Python, Java, C++, etc. These languages are used to write actual programs that do calculations, make decisions with if statements, repeat actions in loops, manipulate data, and so on. For instance, a simple JavaScript program could add two numbers or show an alert box when you click a button. A Python script might take an input, process it, and print an output. These are things we think of as programmatic logic. In other words, a "real" programming language (in gatekeepers’ minds) is one where you can write algorithms and full-blown logic – it can handle things like:

  • Variables (storing data, like x = 5)
  • Control flow (doing one thing or another depending on conditions, e.g. if (x > 10) { ... })
  • Loops (repeating actions, like for loops or while loops to iterate over items or repeat until a condition is met)
  • Functions and operations (performing calculations, manipulating text, querying databases, etc.)

HTML by itself doesn’t have those features. You can’t write an HTML tag that says “if this, then do that” or “add these two numbers.” It’s not a programming language in the traditional sense; it’s more of a layout or structure language. That being said, HTML is a crucial part of building anything on the web. It works hand-in-hand with CSS (Cascading Style Sheets, which handles the visual design and layout) and JavaScript (which adds interactivity and logic in the browser) to create full web applications. In modern Web Development, if you’re a frontend developer, you actually need to know a mix of all three – HTML, CSS, and JavaScript. So while HTML alone might not be doing the logical heavy lifting, it’s the foundation that the other pieces rely on.

The meme specifically pokes fun at a person who says, “you guys could use a real programming language.” This is a common put-down that implies “Hey, HTML is kid stuff, you should be using a serious language instead.” It’s a form of developer gatekeeping. Gatekeeping means setting an arbitrary bar for what counts as legitimate in a field and mocking or excluding those who don’t meet it. In tech, you see gatekeeping when someone says things like “If you’re not using X language or Y low-level tool, you’re not a real programmer.” Here, the gatekeeper thinks writing front-end code (HTML in this case) isn’t worthy of respect compared to writing back-end code or software in languages like C++ or Java. It’s basically an insult toward front-end developers, suggesting that their work is just “playing” with simple tools rather than doing the “hard stuff.”

To a newer developer or someone learning HTML, this attitude can be pretty discouraging. Imagine you’ve just learned how to make a beautiful web page with HTML and CSS – you’re proud of it, it actually shows up in a browser and looks cool. Then someone goes, “Pff, that’s not programming. Talk to me when you build something real.” Ouch! 😟 The meme is calling out that behavior and saying it’s ridiculous. Why? Because everyone starts somewhere, and building things with HTML is real work – it’s just a different kind of work. Also, the notion of what’s “real programming” is kind of silly. Is a script that prints “Hello World” in Python more “real” than an HTML page that displays “Hello World”? Technically one is a program and one is a document, but in the end both are creations in the software realm. One isn’t inherently superior – they just serve different purposes.

Let’s also clarify the roles a bit: A frontend developer is someone who focuses on the part of applications that run in the user’s browser (what you see and interact with). They use HTML for structure, CSS for style, and JavaScript for behavior. A backend developer works on the server side – they might write the code that runs on a server to handle things like database queries, user authentication, business logic, etc., often using languages like Python, Java, Ruby, C#, etc. Both roles are real programming jobs, just with different skill sets. Frontend devs need to know more about browser quirks, user experience, and making things look right on various devices. Backend devs need to know about servers, databases, and high-performance logic. Many developers do both (often called full-stack developers). But historically, some people have looked down on frontend work as “not real programming” because it involves more visual/design elements and because HTML/CSS aren’t traditional code. This comic is a response to that snobbiness.

By panel 3 of the comic, the frustrated stick figure is literally yelling “QUIT HAVING FUN.” It’s a sarcastic way to show what the gatekeeper’s complaints really boil down to. The gatekeeper tried a logical argument (“use a real language”), but when that didn’t faze the happy HTML coder, it devolved into basically “stop enjoying what you’re doing because I don’t approve.” When put that bluntly, you can see how unreasonable it is. It’s important for junior devs to recognize this as toxic behavior. Unfortunately, tech communities sometimes have people like this, but that doesn’t mean their opinion is correct. The truth is, every technology has its place. HTML might not run logic, but without HTML, you have no web page to look at. It’s one piece of a bigger puzzle. And frankly, there’s a lot of value in enjoying what you do. If building things in HTML and CSS brings you joy, that’s fantastic – it’s how many of us got started in the first place! Don’t let someone’s narrow definition of “real programming” take away that excitement. The meme’s message, in simpler terms, is: Ignore the haters and keep coding (or marking up) happily. In a community that sometimes suffers from Tech Tribalism (people forming camps around their favorite language or stack), it’s a reminder that we shouldn’t be discouraging others with elitist attitudes.

Level 3: The Fun Police

For seasoned developers, this meme hits on a painfully familiar dynamic: tech tribalism and gatekeeping based on programming languages. We have a stick-figure character acting as the self-appointed “Fun Police” of programming, barging in on a happy web developer’s work. The dialogue escalates from mild condescension to outright screaming, which is both absurd and darkly humorous to anyone who’s witnessed "language wars" in real life. Why is this funny? Because it’s so true – many of us have met that one coder who scoffs, “HTML? That’s not even a real language,” as if there’s a holy canon of “real programming” and our friend here committed heresy by enjoying front-end work.

This comic distills a classic Language Wars scenario: one developer (often a self-styled “real programmer”) belittles another’s language or technology of choice. In this case, the target is frontend development (HTML/CSS and the like). The standing figure’s jabs – “why do you like this?” and “you guys could use a real programming language” – echo real-world snipes that front-end developers hear all the time. It’s a mix of confusion (not understanding why someone enjoys building UIs) and condescension (implying that front-end folks are just playing with toys instead of doing serious coding). The meme exaggerates it to the point of the gatekeeper literally shouting “QUIT HAVING FUN” in the final panel. This punchline is hilarious to developers because it lays bare the childish jealousy and irrational anger underlying such gatekeeping. It’s essentially saying: “I don’t enjoy or respect that thing you’re doing, so you’re not allowed to enjoy it either!” – a sentiment as petty as it sounds.

The humor also comes from the contrast in the panels. The seated web dev is quietly happy, coding away with an HTML5 logo on the screen, completely unbothered. Meanwhile, the gatekeeper goes from merely passive-aggressive to downright apoplectic. We’ve all seen flame wars where one person just keeps calmly explaining or enjoying their work, and another person in the thread loses their mind over it. The meme’s stick figures capture that perfectly: one figure literally leans in screaming, while the other just sits there, likely continuing to code in HTML unphased. It’s a satire of developer gatekeeping turned up to 11. The gatekeeper’s progression – perplexed → patronizing → furious – mirrors how online arguments often escalate when the “offending” party refuses to feel guilty for their choices. The final “QUIT HAVING FUN” outburst parodies the gatekeeper’s true motive: it was never about technical merit, it was about control and ego. The gatekeeper can’t stand that the other person is perfectly happy using a tool he deems inferior. It’s basically the tech version of “Stop liking what I don’t like!”

From a senior developer’s perspective, this reflects deeper industry patterns. There’s long been a bias that Web Development, especially the front-end side, is somehow easier or less important than back-end or system programming. Sure, building a browser UI with HTML/CSS might not involve pointer arithmetic or writing assembly code, but it comes with its own complexity (ever tried to debug CSS layout quirks or ensure a site works on every browser? Not so trivial!). The meme highlights the disconnect: the gatekeeper likely has no clue how much skill it takes to craft a good web interface or he wouldn’t be so dismissive. Yet, in many circles, you’ll hear things like “CSS is just for designers” or “HTML is for kids learning to code, real devs use real languages.” This attitude is pure developer elitism – a pecking order mentality that says some skills don’t count.

What’s especially satisfying is how the meme mocks that elitism by showing the gatekeeper as totally unreasonable. Experienced devs have seen these “HTML isn’t real coding” debates play out countless times on forums, in office banter, or at meetups. It often boils down to insecurity or the infamous impPoster syndrome (some coders feel the need to prove their status by putting down others’ work). The stick figure literally policing fun is a caricature of those forum trolls who patrol beginner communities just to declare, “Ugh, HTML is not programming, come back when you learn Java or C++.” In reality, modern front-end development involves real programming – lots of it. A web dev might be writing complex JavaScript apps, using frameworks like React or Angular, managing state, performing API calls, and building tooling pipelines. They just also happen to write HTML and CSS, because that’s how browsers work. The gatekeeper in the meme is willfully blind to that. It’s as if he’s stuck in the 1990s mindset where a “webmaster” hand-coding a static HTML page is seen as doing something minimal. Today’s front-end stack is far from just static markup, but our yelling stick figure hasn’t gotten the memo.

Another layer that senior folks recognize is the irony: many so-called real programmers who mock HTML still rely on it every day. Every web application, no matter how sophisticated the back-end, eventually renders down to HTML/CSS in the browser. The user interface is HTML/CSS/JS. So the gatekeeper’s rant is like a construction foreman mocking the bricklayer – you still need that bricklayer’s work to have a house! This cognitive dissonance – using something constantly yet disrespecting it – is ripe for humor. The meme calls it out by showing how absurd the gatekeeper looks, shouting at someone who’s contributing to something that, in truth, everyone in tech benefits from (Developer Humor often points out these thankless roles).

Finally, the shared experience aspect makes the comic funny-therapeutic for many devs. If you’ve ever enthusiastically shown someone a neat web page you built and got a dismissive “Well, that’s just HTML, when will you start real programming?”, this meme feels like sweet validation. It’s saying: “Yes, those people are ridiculous, and we see right through them.” The next time someone tries to gatekeep like this, you might recall the stick figure screaming “QUIT HAVING FUN” and chuckle, realizing how patently absurd that behavior is. In a way, the meme is a community in-joke that turns a frustrating experience into a laughing matter. It tells veteran devs and newcomers alike: the GatekeepingInTech nonsense has been noticed and meme-ified, so maybe we can all chill out and let people enjoy coding in whatever language or tool brings them joy.

Level 4: Turing-Complete or Bust

At the most theoretical level, this meme touches on the formal definition of what a programming language is. In computer science, a language’s "realness" is often (half-jokingly) measured by its computational power. A Turing-complete language can, in theory, perform any computation given enough time and memory. Classic general-purpose languages like C, Java, or Python are Turing-complete: they have loops, conditionals (if/else), and the ability to manipulate memory or state. They can implement algorithms, solve equations, or run a simulation – everything needed to be considered a full-fledged programming system under the Church-Turing thesis.

Now consider HTML (HyperText Markup Language). HTML is a markup language, not designed for computation or algorithmic logic. It’s primarily declarative: you use it to declare the structure of content on a web page (headers, paragraphs, images, links), but you don’t write an algorithm in HTML to, say, sort a list or calculate a number. In formal language theory, HTML’s syntax can be described with a grammar (not quite a simple regular grammar due to nesting, but effectively context-free), focusing on document structure rather than computation. There are no loops, no arithmetic operations, no variables in plain HTML. By itself, HTML cannot be used to solve arbitrary computational problems – it’s not Turing-complete.

From a purist perspective, this makes HTML fundamentally different from a "real" programming language. Hardcore computer science types might quip that if you can’t write a Turing machine in it, it’s not a programming language. In fact, there’s an almost academic gatekeeping bar: “can it compute everything computable?” If yes, it’s a true programming language; if not, it’s "just" a formatting or domain-specific language. This theoretical line is what some gatekeepers hide behind. They point out (correctly in a formal sense) that HTML is a content description language and not a general-purpose tool for computation. It’s akin to the difference between a blueprint and the actual construction machinery – HTML is the blueprint for a page’s structure, whereas a programming language actually builds or operates something.

However, here’s where theory meets absurdity. The meme exaggerates how some people wield this formal distinction like a blunt weapon in tech culture wars. Yes, HTML alone isn’t Turing-complete, but that fact is being comically misused to sneer at web developers. In practice, web projects mix HTML with CSS and JavaScript (the latter is a programming language, and a Turing-complete one at that!). So the technical purism of “not a real language” becomes a pedantic excuse for Gatekeeping in Tech. The fundamental computer science concept – what makes a language fully computational – is twisted into an elitist “test” of who counts as a programmer. That irony is part of the humor: a theoretical yardstick is applied in the pettiest way possible. The result is an absurd scenario where someone is essentially yelling, “Your tool isn’t computationally universal enough, therefore you have no right to enjoy using it!” It’s a textbook example of taking a technically true but contextually pointless fact and using it to rain on someone’s parade.

Description

A three-panel comic strip featuring crudely drawn stick figures, based on the 'Quit Having Fun' or 'Dad and Son Gaming' meme format. In the first panel, a standing stick figure angrily asks a seated stick figure, who is happily engaged with a TV screen, 'why do you like this'. The screen displays the HTML5 logo over a background of blue code. In the second panel, the standing figure becomes more dismissive, stating, 'you guys could use a real programming language'. The seated figure remains happily engrossed. In the final panel, the standing figure is enraged, leaning forward and yelling, 'QUIT HAVING FUN'. The meme satirizes the toxic gatekeeping and elitism within the developer community, specifically targeting the tired and pedantic argument about whether HTML qualifies as a 'real programming language'. It mocks those who belittle web technologies and cannot stand to see others find enjoyment or success with tools they deem inferior

Comments

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Anonymous ★ Top Pick The time some engineers spend arguing whether HTML is Turing complete could have been used to build a profitable business with it. But sure, the declarative syntax is the real problem
  1. Anonymous ★ Top Pick

    The time some engineers spend arguing whether HTML is Turing complete could have been used to build a profitable business with it. But sure, the declarative syntax is the real problem

  2. Anonymous

    HTML may not be Turing-complete, but neither is Kubernetes YAML - and we still trust it with the entire cluster, so maybe save the gatekeeping for when prod isn’t on fire

  3. Anonymous

    After 20 years in the industry, I've learned that the developers who mock CSS are usually the same ones who spend three sprints debugging a race condition they introduced while 'optimizing' perfectly functional code, meanwhile the frontend team shipped five features and actually improved user metrics

  4. Anonymous

    Ah yes, the classic 'HTML isn't a real programming language' take - usually delivered by someone whose entire SaaS product would be a blank screen without it. Sure, HTML isn't Turing-complete, but neither is SQL, and I don't see anyone volunteering to rewrite their database queries in C. The real irony? Half the people making this argument are writing React components that compile down to... HTML. It's the software equivalent of a classically trained musician mocking someone for enjoying pop music - technically correct on paper, but missing the point that we're all just trying to ship features here

  5. Anonymous

    C++ elders gatekeeping fun while Rustaceans cargo build without a single lifetime annotation panic

  6. Anonymous

    If HTML isn’t a real language, why does your “real” stack need JSX, a templating DSL, and two transpilers just to emit it for the DOM’s VM?

  7. Anonymous

    HTML isn’t a “real language”; it’s the user contract - break it and your microservices are just expensive background noise

  8. @RiedleroD 5y

    I'm not having fun while looking at the websites of various billion-dollar companies

    1. @ogleanenjoyer 5y

      not having fun using js either

      1. @RiedleroD 5y

        same, luckily, js isn't really that essential anymore. I'm avoiding using it where I can.

        1. @ipaal 5y

          So what are you use then ?

          1. @RiedleroD 5y

            html5+css3 almost exclusively. see on my website: https://riedler.wien/music/

            1. @ipaal 5y

              Psycho

              1. @RiedleroD 5y

                *developer with a will to live

  9. @maxgraey 5y

    No if you use CSS-in-JS approach 😉

  10. @RiedleroD 5y

    no html, just css

  11. @feskow 5y

    Ah yes, non-turing complete programming language

  12. @energizer91 5y

    Have fun writing on json

  13. Deleted Account 5y

    Never seen HTML being described as fun lmao

    1. @RiedleroD 5y

      it is if you avoid the evil features.

      1. Deleted Account 5y

        imo writing js/logic for components is way more fun

        1. @RiedleroD 5y

          imo writing stuff with a programming language that's sane is way more fun. Like python or C++ or something.

          1. Deleted Account 5y

            yup

        2. @dugeru42 5y

          I would better write rest api for fucking social network from scratch, imo Frontend terrifies me, quit having fun!

  14. @soulstorms 5y

    it must be Flash up on screen

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