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Hardware Post #5307 · source on Telegram

NVIDIA's product strategy: one step forward, 4GB of VRAM back

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This is a four-panel meme using the 'Car Reversing' format to criticize NVIDIA's product decisions. In the top-left panel, a man wearing a cap with the NVIDIA logo looks forward while driving, with the text 'RTX 3060 12 GB' below him. The top-right panel provides the context: 'people not upgrading because it has enough VRAM'. The bottom-left panel shows a hand shifting an automatic car's gear into reverse. In the final panel, the man, again representing NVIDIA, looks back over his shoulder with a sly smirk, and the text now reads 'RTX 4060 8 GB'. The meme humorously illustrates the community's perception that NVIDIA deliberately released its newer-generation RTX 4060 with less video memory (VRAM) than its predecessor. This is seen as a cynical business move to create an artificial bottleneck, especially for VRAM-heavy tasks like AI/ML model training and high-resolution gaming, thereby encouraging users to buy more expensive cards or upgrade sooner

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Anonymous ★ Top Pick Upgrading from a 3060 to a 4060 is like refactoring your code and ending up with fewer features and more memory swapping
  1. Anonymous ★ Top Pick

    Upgrading from a 3060 to a 4060 is like refactoring your code and ending up with fewer features and more memory swapping

  2. Anonymous

    Convincing a 3060-12 GB owner to “upgrade” to a 4060-8 GB is like mandating a Rust rewrite for performance but capping the heap at 512 MB - looks great in the micro-benchmark, face-plants the moment a transformer wanders in

  3. Anonymous

    NVIDIA's product team discovering that developers actually use VRAM for more than just storing their collection of unhandled exceptions and memory leaks - turns out those ML models and 4K textures need actual memory, who knew?

  4. Anonymous

    When your 'upgrade' path involves explaining to stakeholders why the newer GPU generation has less memory than the old one, and they ask if you're sure you read the spec sheet correctly. RTX 4060: proof that in GPU land, progress isn't always linear - especially when product segmentation meets the reality of LLM fine-tuning requirements

  5. Anonymous

    4060 8GB is the PM’s idea of an upgrade: bigger number, smaller heap - great in the deck, same OOMs in production; I’m keeping the 3060 12GB

  6. Anonymous

    NVIDIA's genius: Shrink VRAM to 8GB on 4060 so your fine-tuned Llama finally learns humility via OOM

  7. Anonymous

    Calling 8GB an upgrade over a 12GB predecessor is the GPU equivalent of moving to microservices and halving every service’s heap - enjoy torch.cuda.OutOfMemoryError

  8. @DavidGarciaCat 3y

    Actually, the 4060 (8GB) seems to be better than the 3060 (12GB) https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-RTX-4060-vs-Nvidia-RTX-3060/4150vs4105

    1. @Box_of_the_Fox 3y

      Don't use userbenchmark

    2. dev_meme 3y

      Why do you point out to benchmark when the meme is about the VRAM size? A bit better performance not gonna help if you are getting out of fast memory located next to the chip

      1. @DavidGarciaCat 3y

        Because the “extra” memory is valuable, but it’s useless if the performance is not good. In my experience, having more is not always a synonym for better, but having the proper balance is what outstands overall.

        1. @Box_of_the_Fox 3y

          With the current gen of consoles the minimum requirement for vram on PC is 12 GB, which comes from the way consoles memory subsystem works. This may partially change with dataset streaming but it's yet to be seen. That's why any new GPU having less than that and not being lowest-end is a waste of sand. It's Nvidia's/AMD/Intel job to design GPU in a way that it can efficiently use such memory buffer

          1. @DavidGarciaCat 3y

            true, as far as you want to play PS5 games on PC through Play Station PC distributor - but if you want to buy a graphics card that is as expensive as a next-gen console, then maybe consider if you can’t just buy the console itself, as it has been created for games and it doesn’t have the performance issues reported on PC

            1. @endisn16h 3y

              ps5 has no games

              1. Druciarz 3y

                Switch has all the games

        2. dev_meme 3y

          There’s just too many tasks when 8Gb is just not enough anymore, especially if we are talking about gaming Best reference made in the chat is that video memory size on consoles is what should be used as reference for middle-level renderers and nvidia specing 8Gb model for -60 model is nothing but a dirty game

    3. Kademlia 3y

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQSBj2LKkWg

  9. @Box_of_the_Fox 3y

    It's perhaps the worst benchmark out there

  10. @Box_of_the_Fox 3y

    You're probably better off reading marketing materials from corporations than this crap

  11. @PyrotexUA 3y

    I honoured owner of 3060 12G, and only my next upgrade going to be 4080/4090 in September after (I hope 😭) price drop when "new" ti cards showing

    1. @Box_of_the_Fox 3y

      Why not Radeon?

      1. @DavidGarciaCat 3y

        some people are just Nvidia fan-boys (in the same way that you can find a “war” between Intel and AMD followers)

        1. @Box_of_the_Fox 3y

          And some have use cases like professional workload or streaming and they require CUDA or part of the drivers suite that Radeon doesn't have

  12. @PyrotexUA 3y

    Fuck 4060

  13. @DavidGarciaCat 3y

    consoles usually are better for gaming; PC wins if you want to mod games - unless you need that GPU for work

  14. @Flolo 3y

    Me crying with my 3070 and 8gb ram:/

  15. @RiedleroD 3y

    you see, it runs a whole GHz faster

  16. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 3y

    Yes especially if clown influencer on YouTube try to compare arm benchmark scores with amd64/x86_64/i64

    1. @NevermindExpress 3y

      muh m1 is fastor intel iz ded letz boy obble silicon for 5k$

      1. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 3y

        M is still pretty for now it will have the same overblowting broblem and if  actually decides to remove hardware features because they become legacy then say welcome to a new locked down shit that wont even support apps that are older than 6 years lmao

        1. @RiedleroD 3y

          apple user spotted the apple symbol is not unicode standardized and only appears on (most) apple products. everyone else sees the "unknown symbol" box

          1. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 3y

            I know don’t worry I set up my keyboard to replace every time I write apple to the  logo lmao. Btw 🍎🍏🍏

            1. @RiedleroD 3y

              🍏

              1. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 3y

                Is there a ascii apple art?

      2. @RiedleroD 3y

        M1 is not technically ARM (they'd have to pay licensing fees if it was ;P)

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