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Bill wants AI GPUs to include geo-tracking - hardware offload for compliance nightmares
Hardware Post #6822, on May 28, 2025 in TG

Bill wants AI GPUs to include geo-tracking - hardware offload for compliance nightmares

Why is this Hardware meme funny?

Level 1: Toy on a Leash

Imagine you have a super cool remote-controlled toy – let’s say a drone or maybe a special gaming device – that your parents or the school are a bit worried about. It’s really powerful and could potentially cause trouble if used the “wrong” way. Now, instead of just trusting you or setting some basic rules, they decide to build a tracker into it that always knows where the toy is. Not only that, but if you try to take this toy out of your yard or to a friend’s house, it might actually stop working or send an alert! Sounds a bit extreme, right?

It’s like if your favorite high-tech toy car had a little GPS collar on it, just like a pet might. And whenever the toy moves, it’s checking, “Am I still in the approved play zone? If not, I might have to freeze the wheels.” You as the kid just wanted to play, but now there’s this constant watchdog in the toy. It’s both frustrating and kind of funny in a silly way – funny because it’s such an over-the-top way to keep an eye on things.

That’s basically what this meme is about: grown-ups wanting to put a “leash” on a very advanced computer gadget (the GPU) so it doesn’t go places they don’t want. We find it humorous because it reminds us of a parent or authority that’s so worried, they take a measure that feels almost cartoonishly strict. It’s like turning a joke into reality. We laugh a bit, but also feel a little “yikes!” imagining a world where every cool gadget has a built-in chaperone wherever it goes.

Level 2: GPUs on a Leash

Let’s break down what’s going on in this meme in simpler terms. The tweet is basically a news bite: a U.S. Senator (Tom Cotton) has introduced a bill – a proposed law – that would force American chip makers (think Nvidia, AMD, Intel) to put geo-tracking features into their high-end processors. These processors are mainly super-powerful GPUs used for things like advanced AI (training big neural networks, for example) or HPC (High Performance Computing, which is like supercomputing tasks such as climate modeling, physics simulations, etc.). So what does geo-tracking mean? It means the chip would be able to know and report its physical location, like using GPS coordinates. Essentially, the government wants these fancy chips to have a built-in ability to say “I am here in this specific country/region” whenever needed.

Why on earth would they want that? It comes down to compliance requirements – that’s a fancy way of saying “rules you have to follow.” In tech, compliance often involves laws about where and how you can use certain technology. Lately, there’s been a lot of worry about powerful AI technology getting into the wrong hands or being used in unauthorized ways. High-end GPUs are a bit like the engines that drive advanced AI. The U.S. is trying to prevent these engines from being misused or sent to rival countries without permission (this ties into export controls and trade restrictions – like how certain advanced tech can’t be shipped to certain countries). So the idea with the bill is: if the chips themselves can report where they are, it might enforce those rules. Think of it like a high-tech form of those ankle bracelets courts put on people under house arrest – but here it’s for hardware.

When the meme says “hardware offload for compliance nightmares,” it’s poking fun at the idea of solving a bureaucratic problem with a technical feature. Hardware offload usually refers to doing tasks in specialized hardware to make things faster or more efficient (for example, some network cards can do encryption so the CPU doesn’t have to). But in this context, they’re joking that compliance – which is usually handled by policies and software checks – would be shoved onto the hardware itself. In other words, instead of trusting companies and users to obey the law, the chip will be built to enforce the law by design. That’s why it might be a nightmare: compliance issues are already complex and tricky, and pushing them into the hardware could make engineers’ lives very complicated.

Let’s unpack the components one by one:

  • GPU (Graphics Processing Unit): Originally created to render graphics (like in PC gaming), GPUs turned out to be really good at doing many simple operations in parallel. This makes them excellent for AI/ML tasks – for instance, training a machine learning model involves tons of matrix math which GPUs can handle much faster than normal CPUs. So when we talk about high-performance AI chips, we often mean powerful GPUs (or similar accelerators) that can crunch huge amounts of data quickly.

  • High-performance processors (HPC processors): HPC stands for High Performance Computing. These are chips used in supercomputers. They might be top-end CPUs or GPUs designed for heavy workloads. For example, Nvidia’s top AI GPUs (like the A100 or H100) are used in HPC clusters and AI research labs. They’re very expensive and very powerful.

  • Geo-tracking features: This means some kind of technology in the chip that can determine or broadcast its geographic location. How might that be done? Possibly via an onboard GPS receiver (like how your smartphone can get its location from satellites) or by using network info (like IP address to location mapping) or some radio-based solution. The bill doesn’t specify the tech, just that it needs to be there. So it’s basically saying “make sure the chip can ‘know’ where it is, anywhere in the world.”

  • “Starting six months after enactment”: Enactment means when the bill becomes law. The tweet says the requirement would kick in six months later. This short timeline is part of why engineers are freaking out – six months is a blink of an eye in hardware development.

  • Tom’s Hardware tweet: Tom’s Hardware is a well-known tech news outlet (they report on CPUs, GPUs, PC components, etc.). The tweet is telling us about this proposed law in a straightforward news tone. The image attached (the website card preview) shows a big circuit board with a GPU in the center. That’s likely a high-end graphics card or accelerator board. The little rainbow-colored squares in the chip might be an illustrative graphic – possibly representing the many cores or just for visual flair. Essentially it’s showing a fancy GPU, which is what the law is about. The caption on the image “U.S. inks bill to force geo-tracking tech for high-end gaming and AI GPUs” rephrases the same info: “inks bill” means the bill was introduced (like ink on paper), and it specifically mentions gaming GPUs too. That implies even top-tier graphics cards for gaming could fall under this law (since nowadays the line between a gaming GPU and an AI GPU can be just licensing or firmware – the hardware might be similar). So gamers with ultra-high-end cards might end up with geo-tracking in their drivers/hardware as well, not just big data centers.

  • Security and Data Privacy: The meme is tagged with these because, naturally, if every high-end chip has to track its location, that raises security and privacy questions. Security-wise, you might ask: can this tracking be hacked or misled? Could someone use it to disable a bunch of hardware remotely? Data privacy-wise: who gets access to the location data? Does your GPU periodically send its location to the manufacturer or government? People get understandably nervous when you talk about forcing devices to potentially phone home. It reminds us of surveillance or at least very heavy oversight. The tag SurveillanceCapitalism hints at the general trend where companies collect data (including location) to make money or control user experience – like how smartphones and apps track us for targeted ads. Here, though, it’s more about government surveillance, but the lines can blur if companies are the ones implementing and managing the feature.

  • ComplianceRequirements: This term refers to all the rules companies must follow. For example, a compliance requirement might be “don’t sell this chip to countries on the embargo list” or “make sure we can trace where our chips end up.” Usually compliance is handled with processes and maybe software checks (like a system won’t activate unless certain criteria are met). By yanking it into hardware, the requirement becomes a physical part of the product.

Now, how does all this connect to a developer meme and jokes about “peasants” not accessing powerful GPUs? There’s a bit of community humor in calling people without access to top-notch gear “peasants” (like, “oh, you only have a GTX 1060 GPU? Peasant!” – it’s tongue-in-cheek elitist gamer/dev humor). Recently, advanced AI GPUs are so pricey and restricted that only big corporations or well-funded labs have them, so everyone else jokes that we’re the “peasants” who can’t use this “forbidden tech.” It was meant as an exaggeration. But this tweet’s scenario makes it literally true in a sense: if such a law passed, average folks or small companies might truly be unable to get unrestricted high-end GPUs, because each unit would be under watch. Maybe you could only purchase one if you register it, or it might be geofenced to authorized locations (like validated data centers). It’s like enforcement of a class divide in who can compute freely with the best chips. The meme poster is basically saying “Remember how we joked about this? Well… now it’s not so jokey anymore!”

For a junior developer or tech enthusiast, imagine the practical side: You build a cool AI project and manage to get your hands on a top GPU accelerator to run it. But then, due to this built-in compliance feature, the GPU might refuse to run your code at full speed because, say, you’re physically located in a country that’s not cleared (or maybe even just a room with poor GPS signal, causing it to error out). It’s a frustrating thought – your hardware would have capabilities locked or monitored not for any technical reason but due to legal rules encoded in it. That’s what people mean by a “compliance nightmare.” It blends the worlds of law and tech in a way that could make life difficult for engineers: we’d have to understand regulations just to know how our hardware will behave.

Let’s also clarify microcode because it was mentioned. Microcode is like a low-level program or firmware that lives inside CPUs and GPUs, defining how certain instructions or internal processes work. It’s updatable (like how Intel and AMD release CPU microcode updates to fix bugs or security issues). If a geo-tracking feature is added, it could come in the form of additional microcode or firmware that interfaces with a new sensor or logic block. Senior engineers joke about auditing or ignoring it because usually only the chip maker truly understands that firmware – outsiders rarely see the source code. So you often have to just trust it. A junior dev might not deal with microcode directly, but it’s good to know it’s there; it’s why your CPU can get a patch for something without changing the hardware physically.

One more term: SurveillanceCapitalism. This is a broad term (coined by scholar Shoshana Zuboff) describing an economic system built on tracking users and monetizing their data. The connection here is that we’re increasingly putting tracking into everything (for profit, control, or security). So the meme tags suggest this law is an example of that on the hardware level – even if the motive is national security rather than profit, it’s part of the same trend of “monitor first, ask questions later.”

So for someone new-ish in tech, the meme is highlighting a very current event in a humorous way: Government says “track those fancy chips!” and tech folks are half-laughing, half-groaning because they know it would be a huge deal. It touches on hardware design, global politics (US vs other countries in tech race), security fears, and the ever-growing reach of surveillance. The tone is joking but also cautionary – like “today it’s just a tweet, tomorrow it could be reality, and then our job as devs gets even crazier.”

In simple terms: GPUs with GPS strapped on. If that sounds wild, that’s the point. It’s both a literal description and a metaphor for how far things might go in controlling technology. For a junior dev or enthusiast, it’s a peek into the intersection of our coding world with the larger forces of law and politics, served with a side of sarcasm that’s common in developer humor.

Level 3: LoJacked GPUs

This meme strikes a nerve with seasoned engineers because it combines compliance requirements with hardware in a way that screams “nightmare fuel.” The tweet references Senator Tom Cotton pushing a bill to geo-tag high-end GPUs. Picture the likes of Nvidia, AMD, and Intel being told by law, “implement an always-on location tracker in your fastest chips, pronto.” The humor here is dark and familiar: we've seen grand ideas from non-technical leadership before, and they often become a dumpster fire for the folks in the trenches. Hardware offload for compliance sounds like a punchline only an enterprise architect or a government bean-counter would conjure. It’s basically saying: “Hey, instead of trusting companies and developers to follow export laws or use restrictions, let’s make the chip itself tattletale or self-police. Problem solved!” Any senior dev or hardware engineer reading that is likely doing a facepalm, because they can already envision the slew of issues and unintended consequences.

First off, mandating a hardware change within six months betrays a deep ignorance of how silicon is developed. Six months is barely enough to spin up a minor revision of an existing design, let alone architect and validate a new subsystem across complex GPUs. These aren’t little Arduino gadgets; we’re talking about HPC chips with multi-billion transistor counts that normally take years of design and testing. A law like this would send chip designers into full panic mode. Expect emergency meetings with titles like “Geo-Tracking Architecture Impact” where exhausted engineers ask, “Can we slap a GPS module on the board? Can firmware handle this? Do we need to re-spin the ASIC?” Meanwhile, project managers are updating Gantt charts with a new deep red bar labeled “(Unplanned) Government Compliance Feature – VERY URGENT.” The whole thing has “compliance nightmare” written all over it – exactly as the meme caption says.

We also find this funny (in a grim way) because it echoes the dystopian vibe of Big Brother tech. Seasoned devs joke about how everything is tracking us these days (your phone, your fridge, the toaster maybe). Now imagine your pricey AI accelerator card phoning home like, “Dear manufacturer, I am currently in a data center at coordinates 37.42° N, 122.08° W. Please advise.” It’s SurveillanceCapitalism meets government mandate. The meme’s subtext is essentially: “Remember when we joked only the elite (not the poor peasants) could use top GPUs? Well, now they might literally enforce it with GPS and law.” It’s a gallows humor take on how real-world policy is catching up with what used to be absurd exaggeration.

From an industry AIIndustryTrends standpoint, it’s no coincidence AI chips are under the microscope. There’s massive hype around AI being a strategic asset – almost a new nuclear arms race but with neural networks. High-end GPUs (like Nvidia’s A100/H100 or AMD’s MI200 series) are the critical fuel for training advanced models. Governments are freaked out that these chips could enable rival nations (or unauthorized groups) to leap ahead in AI capabilities. AI hype vs reality comes into play here: policymakers act as if a handful of GPUs can instantly yield a superintelligence or magical military tech. Reality check: yes, these chips are powerful, but they’re not instant WMDs. However, the hype is driving extreme measures – like this bill – to exert control. Seasoned engineers see the historical parallel: in the 90s, strong encryption was classified as a munition; exporting 128-bit SSL was treated like shipping a missile. We had jokes about “T-shirts printed with encryption code” to poke fun at those rules. Fast forward, and advanced GPUs are the new hot item on the export control list. The meme basically says, “What’s next, slapping a tracking collar on every GPU so it doesn’t defect to the enemy?” And boom – that’s literally what the bill proposes.

Now consider the security trade-offs and practical snafus. Putting a tracker in a GPU for compliance means the GPU will likely have to either limit functionality or report home if it’s in an unauthorized location. How might that work? Maybe the GPU won’t run at full speed (or at all) unless it confirms it’s in an approved country. So a datacenter in Europe or Asia with these chips might suddenly get throttled or bricked if the geo-check system Thinks™ it’s somewhere it shouldn’t be. Cue the senior engineer nightmare: the entire cluster goes down at 3 AM because the geo-tracking feature had a hiccup and falsely flagged a bunch of GPUs as “out of zone.” On-call engineers would be scrambling, logs would be sparse (do we even get logs for “GPS failed, unit entering lockdown”?), and you can bet the incident post-mortem will be full of rage: “Why the heck did we trust some black-box tracker? And who’s got the override key? Call vendor support, I guess…” It’s always at 3 AM, right? The meme resonates because anyone who’s maintained systems with weird vendor-mandated features knows the pain of when those go wrong. It’s giving us flashbacks to things like DRM servers going offline and preventing legit users from using software they paid for – except here it’s hardware deciding it doesn’t like where it woke up today.

Another aspect is microcode and firmware complexity. Senior folks know that modern GPUs already run a ton of firmware internally (scheduling threads, managing memory, etc.). Much of it is proprietary and not visible to end users. Adding geo-tracking means even more opaque firmware. Will companies share the source? Highly unlikely – that’s sensitive both from IP and security standpoint. So we’ll get a mysterious “security blob” update in our driver stack that “enables compliance features.” Are we supposed to audit it? Most likely, we’ll just shrug and roll it out, hoping it doesn’t break anything. It becomes one of those things you ignore until it pages you. And when it does, boy, good luck. Imagine diffing firmware dumps to figure out why a GPU thinks it’s in North Korea when it’s actually in New Jersey.

And let’s talk DataPrivacy and user rights. A lot of seniors have a reflexive cringe when they hear “always-on tracking,” because we’ve been through the debates: who owns the data, who has access, what else can it be used for? The government might say, “Trust us, it’s only for stopping bad guys from misusing AI chips.” But once the capability exists, you know others will want to tap into it. Maybe corporations will use it to enforce their own policies (“This GPU is licensed to run in X cloud region only; if moved, it deactivates”). It could enable a new kind of product lock-in. If that sounds far-fetched, look at how printers refuse off-brand ink or how some software deactivates if your hardware changes. Now hardware could deactivate if your hardware changes location! It’s the ultimate region lock. We had DVD region codes and software license regions; now it’s hardware region enforcement. Seniors have seen this pattern: compliance requirements often start narrow but then get expanded or repurposed. What starts as “national security feature” could morph into a general surveillance tool. Maybe marketers spin it as anti-theft: “Our GPUs come with LoJack! If someone steals your expensive AI rig, you (and the Feds) can track it down.” Sure, that might actually appeal to some data center operators… until a crafty hacker finds a way to abuse it.

The cultural reference lurking here is the old division between “haves” and “have-nots” in tech. The meme explicitly mentions “jokes about high-power GPU being not allowed to be accessed by poor peasants.” This was a tongue-in-cheek commentary on how only big players (rich companies, government labs, etc.) get the top-tier silicon, while indie developers or smaller labs are priced out or locked out. Now, with an actual law, that class barrier could be enforced technologically. It’s both funny and depressing: funny as hyperbole turned real, depressing because it edges toward an official techno-feudalism. Picture a future where to run a state-of-the-art AI, you need not just money but also government permission – your hardware will literally refuse to run otherwise. That’s the nightmare scenario hiding behind the laugh.

Finally, the meme lampoons the idea that more tech is the answer to a policy problem. It’s so on the nose for engineers: instead of addressing root issues (like supply chain security or diplomatic agreements), someone in power says “just solve it with tech magic.” It’s reminiscent of bosses saying “can’t we just add a quick check in the code to fix this huge compliance issue?” – but here it’s a senator saying it about actual chips. Senior devs have that weary humor about them: they’ll shake their head with a grin, because they know this opens a Pandora’s box of complexity. If this becomes law, we’ll be seeing CVEs (security vulnerability bulletins) down the line like “CVE-2026-XXXXX: Exploit in GPU geo-tracking module allows spoofing location, enabling unauthorized use of restricted AI chips”. And somewhere, a grumpy engineer will sip coffee and say “I told you so.”

In summary, the meme is funny to us because it’s an absurdly plausible example of technology and bureaucracy colliding. It highlights the senior perspective: we’ve been around this block – government mandates, compliance hacks, unintended side-effects – and while we’ll comply because we must, we also know it’s likely to be a mess. It’s humor with a side of I-can’t-believe-they’re-serious, underscored by real concerns about privacy, security, and plain old feasibility. It’s like the industry’s collective sardonic laugh, followed by a sigh, knowing that if this actually happens, we’re in for a wild ride.

Level 4: Silicon Panopticon

At the cutting edge of Hardware and policy, this proposal essentially creates a panopticon in silicon. It suggests baking a geo-tracking mechanism directly into high-performance AI and HPC processors, possibly turning each GPU into a watchdog of its own whereabouts. On a theoretical level, this raises questions about trusted computing and cryptographic attestation: how can a chip prove its location with integrity? One could envision a mini GPS receiver or similar sensor on the die, feeding coordinates into a secure coprocessor. The processor might carry a secret key, using it to sign geolocation data so that any remote auditor can verify “this chip says it’s in California, and here’s the cryptographic proof.” This is akin to a Trusted Platform Module (TPM), but for geography – a Trusted Location Module, if you will. The irony is that achieving a truly tamper-proof geo-fence is fundamentally hard. Physical access is the ultimate root of trust in reverse: if someone can physically hold a chip, they can often find a way around its safeguards. Consider the theoretical cat-and-mouse: determined adversaries could employ GPS spoofing or shield devices so they can misreport location. There are advanced concepts like distance–bounding protocols (to verify a device is actually at a claimed location by measuring signal round-trip time), but embedding such capabilities into a GPU borders on science fiction. We’re talking about injecting radio-frequency circuits and secure clock logic into an already jam-packed chip design. Modern GPUs have billions of transistors optimized for matrix math and shader operations; carving out silicon for a surveillance subsystem isn’t trivial. There would be trade-offs in chip area, power, and complexity — essentially a new non-functional requirement grafted onto designs optimized for FLOPs. This could interfere with the processor’s pipeline if not carefully isolated. Imagine a scenario where a GPU’s fetch–decode cycle stalls, not due to a cache miss or branch mispredict, but because the geo-tracking unit is busy acquiring a satellite fix or awaiting secure clearance to execute certain instructions in a given jurisdiction. It’s like a bizarre new form of pipeline hazard: location hazards. Formal verification of such a system would be mind-bending, since state space now includes the device’s position on Earth. We’d be introducing a new variable into the execution model – call it LocationRegister – that could gate whether certain operations proceed at full speed. In theoretical computer science terms, we’re almost creating a machine that’s not just Turing-complete, but jurisdiction-complete: its behavior can depend on a real-world geopolitical state that isn’t purely computational.

From a SecurityTradeoffs perspective, embedding a tracker at hardware level could strengthen export control in theory, but it also expands the attack surface. Every new on-die feature is a potential new vulnerability. A poorly implemented location tracker might be tricked by malicious input (imagine feeding it counterfeit satellite data or exploiting a buffer overflow in the tracking firmware). Or adversaries could find a way to disable or manipulate it via hardware hacks, like a modified board that intercepts the sensor. Meanwhile, honest users get no choice but to trust this opaque feature. The microcode or firmware driving it might be inaccessible, making it effectively a black box baked into the machine. Security researchers often warn that any backdoor for “good guys” can become a backdoor for bad actors too. If the government can query or deactivate a GPU based on location, what stops a sophisticated hacker from doing the same if they compromise the control infrastructure? This veers into the territory of the Clipper Chip redux: that infamous 1990s proposal to put an encryption backdoor chip in communications devices. Clipper was rooted in solid math (it used an escrowed key system), but it failed spectacularly in practice and public opinion. The geo-tracking GPU feels like a twist on that, moving from eavesdropping on data to eavesdropping on position. It’s a shift from "who are you calling?" to "where is your compute happening?". The fundamental DataPrivacy concern is enormous: we’d be creating a fleet of high-end processors that are effectively reporting to some authority about their whereabouts. It’s a step toward a ubiquitous surveillance fabric at the hardware level – a Silicon Surveillance State. Technically, one can appreciate the boldness of trying to solve compliance via hardware offload (why rely on messy software geofencing when the chip can enforce the law itself, right?). But it’s also a collision of vastly different domains: semiconductor physics meets legal code. And as any engineer knows, adding more roles to a system (especially one as complex as a GPU) invites emergent chaos. The laws of thermodynamics and information theory don’t bend for Congress: more functions crammed in the same space mean more heat, more possible faults, and more things that can’t be fully tested before deployment. In summary, at this deep technical level we see an attempted hardware-based panacea for a policy problem – one that dances with cryptographic protocols, hardware design constraints, and the age-old problem of connecting physical reality with digital guarantees. It’s a fascinating, if fraught, intersection of computing theory and the real world, evoking equal parts awe at the ambition and skepticism about the practicality.

Description

Screenshot of a Tom’s Hardware tweet. The tweet text reads: “A new bill introduced by Senator Tom Cotton would mandate that U.S. chipmakers like AMD, Intel, and Nvidia to embed location-tracking features in high-performance AI and HPC processors starting six months after enactment.” Below the tweet is a website card showing a close-up render of a massive black PCB with a central GPU package filled with rainbow-colored cores; caption: “U.S. inks bill to force geo-tracking tech for high-end gaming and AI GPUs.” Tweet metadata at the bottom: “1:35 PM · May 12, 2025 · 18.3K Views.” Visually, it’s a standard Twitter post with Tom’s Hardware red logo avatar on a white background. Technically, the image alludes to government-mandated hardware telemetry baked into next-gen accelerators - raising concerns about supply-chain security, export-control enforcement, and yet another layer of opaque microcode senior engineers will have to audit (or ignore)

Comments

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Anonymous ★ Top Pick Great, now instead of just worrying about kernel panics we get to worry about kernel subpoenas - try sudo gpsctl --disable on THAT
  1. Anonymous ★ Top Pick

    Great, now instead of just worrying about kernel panics we get to worry about kernel subpoenas - try sudo gpsctl --disable on THAT

  2. Anonymous

    Finally, a feature that lets your GPU phone home about its location while it's already phoning home about telemetry, crash reports, and driver updates. Now your H100 can tell the government exactly which data center rack it's mining crypto from instead of training your LLM

  3. Anonymous

    Nothing says 'land of the free' quite like your GPU phoning home to report its coordinates. I'm sure the performance overhead of mandatory geolocation will be negligible - just like how TSA security theater has zero impact on travel times. Can't wait for my next kernel panic to include GPS coordinates in the stack trace, really helps with debugging those shader compilation errors

  4. Anonymous

    Geo-tagged GPUs: when the RCA reads “cluster failed because device thinks it’s in the wrong country,” and the fix is adding continent to your Terraform modules plus a geo‑aware admission controller

  5. Anonymous

    Mandated telemetry etched in silicon: the ultimate supply-chain backdoor no zero-trust architecture can firewall

  6. Anonymous

    Can’t wait for the postmortem where half the training run dies because the new on‑die compliance attestor lost GPS in the colo, decided our H100s were in a sanctioned region, and tripped the export‑control kill switch

  7. @ShimmeringVoid 1y

    And how long until rendered meaningless?

  8. @gmayv 1y

    Please, connect to the internet to activate your GPU 🤡🤡🤡

  9. @SheepGod 1y

    "i'm sorry you got the gpu lite version you will be shown ads in your games made with ai on your own device"

  10. @SamsonovAnton 1y

    South Park Season 1, Episode 1 "Cartman Gets an Anal Probe" (by extraterrestrials) Season 27, Episode 1 "Everyone Gets an Anal Probe" (by Nvidia and Starlink)

  11. @qwnick 1y

    If they will block it in places like Russia and China - it is good imo

    1. @SamsonovAnton 1y

      Good luck in tracking my location at home: the whole area is covered by GNSS jammer.

      1. @qwnick 1y

        whatever, just make life harder for as much as possible, or maybe do white zones. Even if they will have to cover every user via GNSS jammer is already good. Makes spending resources and life harder.

        1. @SamsonovAnton 1y

          It's called "jammer", but it's actually a spoofing device. • For example, in my location it fakes satellite almanachs, so that it apperars as there are plenty satellites in view, but you can't get even a 2D-fix, because advertised satellite positions are all fake. • In other locations, it emulates false location — cosistently across all emulated satellites of all existing systems (GPS, GLONASS, Beidu, Galileo). Good luck with white-listing, too! • It may also emulate a moving lication, not just stationary. As for the price of hardware, one doesn't need a military-grade jamming device that covers entire districts, if the target area is just a datacenter room (where those AI accelerators are usually placed) with virtually no external radio signal passing through the walls. I will not be surprised if a smaller spoofing device costs times less than a single AI accelerator card. And even if it costs like an entire AI server, then it's also worth it; just some extra money investment (that will retain its value many GPU generations after).

          1. @qwnick 1y

            meh, good enough, still worth it

      2. @qwnick 1y

        It's like with sanctions, minimum objective is to reduce capabilities as much as possible and increase costs overhead. Same logic

      3. @qwnick 1y

        also, specifically in this case - they will not block you, but they will block a hundred people like you, but younger, who would like to dig into technology but can't cause of these complications, thus reducing country human potential, which is great (in this case)

        1. @SamsonovAnton 1y

          How many young people, exactly, can afford even a single acceleration card like Nvidia H200 (worth $30k to $40k)? I would like to be among them! 🤑

          1. @TheFloofyFloof 1y

            And if they can, they should be stopped from making bad financial decisions

          2. @RiedleroD 1y

            young people? you mean google, openAI, mistrel…

          3. Sure Not 1y

            I bought 64 core CPU for a project once, by the time I had the money for those things I had no energy or time to actually do something with it.

            1. dev_meme 1y

              I feel it I’m feeling lucky to still have that energy AND drive to come up with new, even if sometimes silly things

              1. Sure Not 1y

                Just don't look too deep into CPUs, Banking, networking and global powers/politicians.

        2. @purplesyringa 1y

          Like, what the fuck is this. Since when is "reducing country human potential" a good thing? You're talking about limiting kids and aspiring engineers who have no political power. You aren't going to stop a state-sponsored mining farm, just gamers and AI researchers.

    2. @Bonessssss 1y

      It is a pretty controversial opinion, explain yourself

      1. @qwnick 1y

        Controversial for Russia, lol? I don't think that limiting technology access for Russia is controversial, given the war and annexations

    3. @SoutHora 1y

      What's so good about making private sector angry? Just makes their propaganda work better.

    4. @purplesyringa 1y

      Tell me you're xenophobic without telling me you're xenophobic

      1. @qwnick 1y

        Xenophobic is when you don't like foreigners. I like foreigners. I don't like countries that annex territory by waging aggressive wars in Europe. Such hate is normal, btw. I don't mind that a Russian will access technology if a the Russians live in the US. So I am hardly xenophobic.

        1. @Bonessssss 1y

          Any other parts of the world are OK to wage wars in, I guess

          1. @qwnick 1y

            Obviously I care about my home more and I will hate people who target me more. Nice whataboutism try, didn't worked.

            1. @Bonessssss 1y

              You would be surprised, but I can agree on "you should not start a war without a proper jusus ad bellum" (the rest of my position should become obvious at this point) But I don't see how the hatred towards the general population will fix any of it

              1. @qwnick 1y

                The population is responsible for their country. That's why Germany paid money for 3 generations.

              2. @qwnick 1y

                I do understand that it is natural for Russian to try to avoid this responsibility, of course

          2. @qwnick 1y

            The funniest thing is that the EU and US didn't annex anything after all the WW2 treaties. So even by this whataboutism Russia is still the only bad guy. But in general you are right, China did annex some stuff, so they deserve the same sentiment.

            1. @Bonessssss 1y

              Which didn't stop them from killing innocent people in Belgrade, I guess

              1. @qwnick 1y

                They didn't annex anything. So now it's calm there. It will not be calm if you annex shit. That's the difference

                1. @Bonessssss 1y

                  So the problem for you is the land, not the people's lives

                  1. @qwnick 1y

                    No, the problem is what I wrote in my last message. Annexations are too problematic.

        2. @purplesyringa 1y

          You are not hating on countries. You're promoting restrictions on people who live in those countries and don't have any political power. There's plenty of people in Russia who don't support the regime, but can't leave the country; I'm talking about minorities here, but also regular people who don't have economical resources (this is Russia, after all). You wouldn't tell a jew to "just leave Germany" in the Nazi times, and you wouldn't tell a gay person in Iran you're fine with limiting their access to information or resources.

          1. @purplesyringa 1y

            You're overgeneralizing. If statistics says black people are more violent than white people, and you infer that black races are worse than white races, that's ridiculous and xenophobic. The right thing to do is to consider an individual's perspective and find the reasons for such a discrepancy, which will let you realize you're dealing with marginalization, not a body color-specific problem. Racism is easy, but only worsens the problem; an honest analysis uncovers an uncomfortable truth, but a truth nonetheless. Propaganda muddles the waters a bit. Many countries are taking a right-wind turn now because of that, and that sucks, but you wouldn't want to limit supplies to Americans and, idk, Germans because they're xenophobic. A specific person can be horrible, sure, but you'd also be harming tons of leftists, cutting off critical supplies to minorities, etc. If you dislike a country that wages a war, that's fine. Saying Russians caused this and attacking Russians in general is fine is xenophobic. An honest analysis would show that people are, on average, so poor that they can't make a tangible difference in economical power, yet along political power, and could not have been the root cause of the "war is good" sentiment. The core of the problem is the regime and its propaganda, and another core problem is people like you, who are making it unreasonably hard to leave the country.

        3. @pyrothefuck 1y

          I didn't annex shit mate

  12. @qwnick 1y

    Well I am doing exactly what you suggested. What you said is not contradictory to what I said

  13. @qwnick 1y

    No it's not. It's like hating on Nazis and waging sanctions and bombs on Germany in WW2. It's a good and moral thing

  14. @qwnick 1y

    I don't agree with your opinion. Opposition to evil, like Russia in 2025, is fueled by hate and emotions. And practice over the history shows that it is not futile.

  15. @qwnick 1y

    Lol, they are killing like million of people, annexing territory and ruining lives of 10s of millions. And yet in your head it is normal, but hating them for that is not normal? That some serious intellectual gymnastics, lol.

  16. @qwnick 1y

    There is nothing wrong with hate towards the country for waging wars and annexations. It is normal. It is a tool of punishment through calls to action.

  17. @qwnick 1y

    Typical Russian whataboutism. Literally a meme

  18. @qwnick 1y

    If you annex shit it's not genocide resolution, it's a landgrab and you are evil

  19. @qwnick 1y

    Vietnam war was after WW2 treaties , not before😂

  20. @qwnick 1y

    I don't agree here. Landgrab is more evil. It fuels conflicts for generations

  21. @qwnick 1y

    Yes, that is enough, annexations breaking the safety net everybody created after WW2, fueling conflict for generations and all for personal gain. It is not remotely morally justified, like for example help to Kosovo and such by bombing Belgrade

    1. @callofvoid0 1y

      so what about Yugoslavi ?

      1. @qwnick 1y

        Anyone who annexed lands in Yugoslavia is as bad as Russia, I agree to apply the same logic there, no hypocrisy

  22. @qwnick 1y

    Occupation and annexations lead to hate and conflict and death over generations of people.

  23. @qwnick 1y

    Yes, exactly my point. Russia did care tho

  24. @mrYakov 1y

    let's just look at the actions of Europe/USA immediately after the war began: >closed the borders for ordinary citizens and small businesses of the Russian Federation, who were trying to get out of the country, but were forced to stay and thus work for the Russian economy, thereby helping Putin. >stopped selling goods to the Russian Federation, thereby upsetting the currency balance of supply and demand, which strengthened the ruble and helped Putin. >continued to buy oil, gas and other natural resources sold by Putin's friends, literally financing the war. >created crisis in the oil markets, causing a price jump and allowing Putin to earn even more. >supplied Ukraine with exactly as much weapons as it needed to hold its position, no more. >made a bunch of anti-Russian statements, which even in the no-comment mode could be shown to any resident of the Russian Federation to justify the war, thereby giving Putin's propaganda another source of fuel. For me, they did literally everything possible to support this war, lol

    1. @qwnick 1y

      Well first of all many of those issues are already fixed. The amount of gas and oil is miniscule now compared to that time. About ordinary Russians, they are responsible for their country's actions, and there are a lot of countries except EU where they can go. They can't go to EU cause Russia tend to weaponise it's citizens, which is bad during wartime. About weapons I agree. Ukraine did hold tho, which is good. I am all for increasing military support and have a subscription to fund Ukraine military funds myself. Nobody is saying that reaction to Russians war is ideal, it is what it is. I do agree that Ukraine needs more weapons ofc. At least US and EU didn't bail like in 2014😁

      1. dev_meme 1y

        Don’t worry bud - it will be over soon and you’ll get new country to hate on

      2. @mrYakov 1y

        >Well first of all many of those issues are already fixed on paper >ordinary Russians, they are responsible for their country's actions work only if country is democratic, Russia is autocracy >there are a lot of countries except EU where they can go no, they cant. a lot of peoples try, but failed because of economical reasons >Russia tend to weaponise it's citizens, which is bad during wartime yea, thats exactly why we should apply all forces to strenghten Putin positions >Nobody is saying that reaction to Russians war is ideal, it is what it is. I do agree that Ukraine needs more weapons ofc. Yes, let's fuel up this war, it's a direct path to peace. >At least US and EU didn't bail like in 2014😁 Better if they did, lol. 2014 was peaceful year compared to what is happening now lol

        1. @qwnick 1y

          > Not on paper. It's open data. You can't send gas when the pipeline is blown up, lol. Most Russian income is from oil to China and India. > People responsible because they pay taxes, not because it's autocracy. They had 30 years to do something about it. Like many other nations did. > So they can. They don't want because economical reasons. They are more comfortable with sponsoring wars than going to Kazachstan or Mongolia. That's no can't, that's don't want to. >It is Russians responsibility to do something about Putin. If they want they can leave Russia, there is a lot of countries outside the EU. EU needs to take care of Ukraine and their own countries, and that is easier to do without Russia applying force through their citizens. This makes sense during wartime and it is common practice to handle enemy country citizens this way > Fuel victim ability to protect themselves against invasion, yes. It's moral thing to do. Without weapons to Ukraine Russia will annex and kill more Ukrainians. It only makes sense to help them defend. It is Russia who is causing war, not EU. >2014 led to 2022. Russians will not stop until they are stopped with force. You can't appease them as you could not appease Germany during WW2. That's by the way also why your "stop weapons to Ukraine" argument doesn't work.

          1. @Algoinde 1y

            Here's my timeline that will provide context: 2014 happens, i'm slightly surprised by it but there's no clear data and I wasn't into politics so I have no idea what to think about it; my Crimea relatives like Russia so I just forget about it for a while. Starting in 2016 I become more interested in politics, because before that it was generally considered rotten in basis, and therefore not worth talking about because "it is how it is" and nothing can be done about it (later I learned that politics helplessness a specifically fabricated populace opinion by media in order to let corruption thrive and democracy to disappear). For example, people got accustomed to teachers being corrupt as a rule of life, and then got a big reality check when those same corrupt teachers were faking election votes in school-based election centers. Opposition reaches its peak in 2018, where the goverment's autocracy becomes apparent to more people, which takes many by surprise, because they didn't see what was happening at the top behind their own regular day-to-day fairly good quality of life. There starts a disconnect; people who watch TV hold propaganda opinions entrenched over the last 10 years, while the youth who were not watching any TV in the first place learn about corruption from the internet, but are helpless to do anything because of having essentially no weight. Protests ensue when the main opposition leader is unable to run due to purposeful legislative trickery. Protests happen and people wake up to the fact that the government has an incredible punitive potential, jailing and detaining tens of thousands using armed special forces in protests. Many people realize they physically cannot affect Putin in any way, as they see the image of them standing against 30 armed soldiers in their way, so they leave the country in perceived helplessness or start preparing to. Putin reelects himself for 4 years yet again. The election process is officially dead. All of this grows and wanes, the opposition core is still fighting for rights, highlighting corruption and trying to inform people through modern channels as best as they could to at least counter the propaganda. When 2022 happens, the propaganda'd part of Russia supports the invasion, because it turns out the effort to accustom people to Ukrainians being evil and bad goes all the way back to around 2012. I myself encounter a huge mental disconnect with the general populace (I had no idea they wanted to attack Ukraine because my social circle doesn't consume propaganda either), so I simply get up and leave, and so do my friends. Not all of them, though, because some are stuck in the country due to family reasons, economic reasons, health reasons and some are simply incapable of doing a huge paradigm shift like moving into another country. 2 more friends try and have to return because of mental health issues abroad. Later Putin kills the opposition leader, effectively murdering the opposition because no good leaders, while being fearless enough, emerge. Maybe they are good, but are too powerless to do anything with the war in full force and the punitive system in full effect. So, my point is, the situation is not simplistic. If you yourself cannot see a plan for you, yourself, alone, get rid of Putin, then so don't most people in Russia. Leaving is a good option, but not many are able to, same as Europe not having the ability to simply cut off gas in an instant.

            1. @qwnick 1y

              I agree

          2. @Algoinde 1y

            I agree that Ukraine should defend itself, and it's annoying how spotty the support was, with too many strings attached to it, which just turned the whole thing into a slow meat grinder. It was clear Putin is only to be steamrolled by either an outside force, or an internal conflict (which only can be triggered with an outside force at this point), and they wouldn't let Ukraine be that force due to economic reasons, which Russia still has a large leverage in. Even the oil that they used to get directly from Russia they now simply buy through China, India and Latin America to bypass sanctions, which has little effect on the overall oil export of Russia, which started trending back up after 2023. Essentially, the government was let to be unchecked for so long, and while people were enjoying the post-USSR freedoms and economy boom and focusing on their personal lives, the government elites grew its personal defenses so well nobody can do anything at this point.

          3. @mrYakov 1y

            >You can't send gas when the pipeline is blown up Yea, pipeline, that does not work was blown up, make sence, lol >They had 30 years to do something about it. Like many other nations did And many other counties dont. Because conditions in each counry is different and in some countries there is no way to quicly change gowernment, even with mass protests. >They don't want because economical reasons Yea, living in Russia or dead without money is other country is dont want, of course. >This makes sense during wartime and it is common practice to handle enemy country citizens this way common practice does not equal to working practice. In 2014 when choosing between expanded conditions for a couple of regions or civil war, Ukraine chose war . When choosing in 2022 between expanded conditions for a couple of regions or full-scale war, Ukraine chose war. And war path is chosen, because of weapons supply from EU/USA.

            1. @Algoinde 1y

              I do think it's fine for Russians to not be let into EU, or be subjected to high scrutiny in order to go, simply for the reason of it being dangerous for average Ukrainians and average Russians to be able to interact within EU borders with unclear outcomes, due to Ukrainians being outraged at any Russian they see due to trauma, and Russians then feeling excused to respond in kind. That said, it's way more likely to get a visa now than it was in 2022.

            2. @Algoinde 1y

              I think it's normal to want to resist invasions on your territory, be it with a war effort or a puppeteered government effort. If you don't, you will eventually lose your entire country and will be assimilated, and your identity murdered. I assume if Finland tries to grab Saint Petersburg, or China tries to grab Vladivostok, Russia will immediately go to war without even thinking about conceding.

              1. @Algoinde 1y

                Actually I'm having second thoughts. With the current government and their inability to fight another front, I think it would be extremely funny to see how the media will contort itself into trying to say that China having sea access from Heilongjiang is a good thing, actually, and we should be happy to give the city to China. Also, all schools will now start teaching Chinese.

            3. @qwnick 1y

              you clearly don't know what are you talking about. NS1 and NS2 were blown up. NS1 was working, and it supplied crazy amount of gas

            4. @qwnick 1y

              in 2014 Russia attacked Ukraine, not other way around. Russia chose war, Ukraine was attacked.

          4. @Algoinde 1y

            re: oil

      3. @purplesyringa 1y

        Are you stupid? Did you make a vow to use the word "responsibility" in 2nd grade and never dared to break it since? "Responsibility" is a concept entirely relative to one's sense of ethics, and ethics need to be grounded in reality, not abstract

        1. @Algoinde 1y

          Read the rest of the discussion before replying further until you arrive at the message that says "stop discussing this"

          1. @purplesyringa 1y

            yeah sorry

            1. @purplesyringa 1y

              I just hate this shit so much

        2. @purplesyringa 1y

          Do you not see the contradiction in your words? "Russians who disagree with the war should leave, but they can't because of the government, so I'm comfortable with hating all Russians, including those who disagree with the war"? How does that work?

  25. @callofvoid0 1y

    wtf?

  26. @mrYakov 1y

    It's much more complicated than just an invasion. In 2014, Ukraine experienced a serious political crisis, which led to many unhealthy incidents in which pro-European and pro-Russian people clashed. This created certain conditions in which Putin's security forces were able to penetrate Crimea and hold a referendum on joining the Russian Federation. This is a bloodless operation that cannot be called a direct seizure of territory, there was a vote and people were in favor. I agree that the annexation of Crimea is a controversial story, but the issue of the status of Crimea is a much more complex issue, it cannot be interpreted simply as an invasion and occupation. Donetsk and Lugansk are a completely different story, there were clashes with the use of weapons. And both the EU / USA and Russia threw weapons to the parties. This conflict could have been resolved by issuing expanded conditions to Donetsk and Lugansk, which would remain those regions as part of Ukraine and would allow the issue of the status of Crimea to be resolved in a peaceful environment. But this did not happen.

    1. @qwnick 1y

      😂 Dude chill. Nobody believes this bs

      1. @mrYakov 1y

        thats not a constructive argument, lol you cant deny things that you dont like by simple saying i dont believe it

        1. @qwnick 1y

          That's not argument, that's a position to not accept those ridiculous collection of words as a valid argument.

        2. @Algoinde 1y

          People can disregard your opinion and not have time or need to explain why, because they don't really care about you that much It may be up to you to research what in your argument was taken as weak or false points and to gain another perspective to examine your biases

          1. @Algoinde 1y

            Also I'm having dejavu now, this is like the third time this is brought up here with lengthy replies

          2. @mrYakov 1y

            true, but i cant learn this if my opponent refuse to provide any information, that would be contrary to my point of view

            1. @qwnick 1y

              just did

            2. @qwnick 1y

              And after that, Russia did referendum in Zaporizhia region, where they don't even control Zaporizhia city, and yet they claim to add whole region into constitution. Same shit again, these referendums are just not valid, landgrab is landgrab

    2. @qwnick 1y

      Russia literally occupied foreign territory, did referendum under guns with them choosing who will vote and how to count, and it was against constitution of the country this territory located. This is ridiculous, really

      1. @mrYakov 1y

        and after that there was absolutely no resistance in Crimea. no rallies, nothing. this doesn't happen if people were really against.

        1. @qwnick 1y

          Ukraine did not have capabilities at time to oppose Russia. If it would repeat in 2022 Russia would annex all of Ukraine this way. So good thing that Ukraine got military and weapons in 2022.

          1. @Algoinde 1y

            Well to be fair Ukraine didn't get military in 2022 It realized shit's fucked and was gearing it up all the way since 2014

            1. @qwnick 1y

              Well they were fighting with Russians since 2014, just on smaller scale

          2. @mrYakov 1y

            i dont say anything about Ukraine, i say it about Crimea citizens. i dont see signs that they disagree with that vote.

            1. @qwnick 1y

              It does not matter how you justify it, invasion and annexation is invasion and annexation. You can't invade village with overwhelming force, do referendum under guns and landgrab. And argument about referendum is not valid after all this bs referendums after fullscale invasion. It is obvious to everyone that referendums are bs now

              1. @Algoinde 1y

                The opposing argument is that Crimea did have a large Russian-speaking population, so it was a really easy grab. The way they did the military presence was to absolutely ensure the right outcome, but I'm not even sure they had to do it to get the result they wanted, with the 1944 actions ensuring that outcome. They only had to have the military presence to prevent Ukraine from enforcing its laws, under which the referendum was illegal.

                1. @qwnick 1y

                  well it does not matter really, cause they did it the way they did, and now we see that referendums are bs

                  1. @Algoinde 1y

                    Essentially all voting under Putin cannot be recognized as legitimate under any circumstances

                2. @qwnick 1y

                  it's not about what Crimea people want, is that you don't fucking annex things in europe after ww2

                  1. @Algoinde 1y

                    yep. hence it being illegal, hence the need to have armed presence to annex

              2. @mrYakov 1y

                you are now constantly jumping between different events, trying to mix everything into one heap. Once again, I am not saying that Crimea was 100% right to go over to the Russian Federation. I am saying that this is a difficult issue that needed to be resolved. In 2014, Ukraine could have not started a civil war, but simply given those regions extended conditions and then in a peaceful environment decide the issue of Crimea's status, but they chose war.

                1. @qwnick 1y

                  It's not difficult issue. You don't annex things in Europe after WW2 treaties, otherwise shit will stir. And even after that EU and US tried to appease Russia. And 2022 show that weak reaction to Crimea was a mistake and you can't appease Russia, they will want more. And it is literally how everything went before ww2, with Germany landgrabs weak reactions and appeasement. History literally repeat

                2. @Algoinde 1y

                  If China sends a lot of Chinese citizens to permanently live in Vladivostok, buys millions of Chinese propaganda there, then holds a referendum and people are 80% for it, should Russia just give up Vladivostok without any resistance?

                  1. @mrYakov 1y

                    So you are ignore path of civil war in Ukraine and focus only on Crimea, right ?

                    1. @Algoinde 1y

                      Sure, China can also cause a civil war too to make it easier

                    2. @qwnick 1y

                      Civil War in Ukraine (caused by Russia), is not justification for annexation

                    3. @qwnick 1y

                      Given that Russia directly sponsored and participated in military actions you can hardly even call it a civil war, just revolution, after what Russia attacked by creating proxy structures in Donbass region

                      1. @mrYakov 1y

                        but why wage this war at all when it would be possible to simply give the regions extended conditions ? it would be impossible for Putin's propaganda to justify the invasion of the LPR and DPR if this were done.

                        1. @Algoinde 1y

                          Why even touch Ukraine at all? Stay within your fucking borders. You don't need to expand. Chill. anyway, we've been told to stop

                  2. @qwnick 1y

                    BTW funny thing, that Russia literally did it with Crimea Tatars genocide

                    1. @Algoinde 1y

                      that's why i mentioned 1944 earlier

                3. @Algoinde 1y

                  And besides, you don't really need to argue about the details. You always look at the intentions behind actions. The intentions are extremely clear, and they are Russian Imperialism. I don't support it, so that's the end of my take. All actions that stem from it are also to be frowned upon in my view. I see lots of cities in Russia struggling to even have gas brought to them properly, and they want more land still. This is politics I do not support.

                  1. @mrYakov 1y

                    exactly, intentions behind actions when the Ukrainian government did everything to justify Putin's actions, they obviously wanted war and the money that can be obtained from European/American aid. Seriously, the introduction of Russian as a second language for territories where ALREADY more than 50% peoples speak it, a couple of laws on the protection of culture and so on, these are basically free actions for the government, but they did everything exactly the opposite. when Europe tries to help Ukraine, but all the results lead to heating up and prolonging the conflict, it is obvious that a group of military men lobbying for their interests is doing a good job. America also just wants money from Ukrainian land, and at least now they are openly talking about it, thank them for their honesty. My point is: nobody here wants peace. I dont support Putin. If you dont support Putin, but simple follow western propaganda, you make things even worse, by fueling Putins propaganda. If we really want to stop this conflict, every side should change behavior. I stop now.

                    1. Sure Not 1y

                      "West" could start and end wars in hours if they really wanted to.

        2. @qwnick 1y

          And last time Russia occupied Ukraine they did whole Holodomor, Crimea Tatars deportation and the whole USSR thing.

  27. dev_meme 1y

    Ayyyo @qwnick @Algoinde @mrYakov It’s dev meme channel, let’s wrap it up please @qwnick not the first time you you raising the bar into too much political and hatred perspective, please, don’t

    1. @qwnick 1y

      first time this year tho, is there a reset time?

  28. @nightingazer 1y

    oh my god, most of this political discussion is actually completely braindead, wow

    1. @hotsadboi 1y

      > this political discussion welcome to the internet

      1. @nightingazer 1y

        yep, you got me here, not gonna lie

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