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A Literal Take on Staging a Moon Landing
TechHistory Post #6663, on Apr 20, 2025 in TG

A Literal Take on Staging a Moon Landing

Why is this TechHistory meme funny?

Level 1: Step by Step

Imagine you want to do something really big and difficult, like reaching a high place or finishing a huge task. You wouldn’t try to do it all in one giant leap, right? You would do it step by step. For example, think about climbing a tall staircase to a tower. If someone saw you stop at a couple of landings on the way up, and then they said, “Ha! Your climb was staged!” – implying you didn’t do it in one go – you’d probably laugh. Of course you used the stairs in stages; that’s the normal way to get to the top! That doesn’t mean you didn’t really climb or that it was fake. It just means you took it one stage at a time.

This meme is playing with that idea. Some people jokingly say the Moon landing was “staged,” meaning they think it was pretend. But the funny response is, “Yeah, it was staged – the rocket went up in stages!” In other words, the rocket that took astronauts to the Moon did it step by step: one part of the rocket pushed it up, then that part fell away, and the next part continued, and so on. It’s like using a few different ladders one after another to go really high, instead of one impossibly tall ladder.

In simpler terms, the joke is pointing out a silly mix-up: one person says “staged” meaning “fake,” and the other person answers using “staged” to mean “done in parts.” It’s funny because the second person answers a conspiracy theory with basic common sense. It’s like if a friend asked, “Did you cheat by doing your big project in pieces?” and you respond, “Well, doing a big project in pieces is just how you get it done, dude!” The tone is a bit cheeky and exasperated – basically saying “come on, that’s how it works!” Whether it’s sending a rocket to space or releasing a new app update, we do big things one step at a time. That’s not cheating; that’s just working smart. And that’s the whole joke: of course the Moon mission had stages, because that’s the only real way to pull off something that hard, just like you have to take big tasks one step at a time in life.

Level 2: Stage by Stage

Let’s break down the key concepts and jokes in this meme for a less experienced developer or someone new to DevOps. First, the term “staged” is being played with. In everyday English, saying something was “staged” can mean it was faked or set up, like a scene on a theater stage. That’s what moon-landing conspiracy folks mean when they say “the moon landing was staged” – they think it was all fake, done in a film studio. But in engineering (especially rocketry and software deployment), “staging” means doing things in steps or phases. It has nothing to do with fakery; it’s about splitting a huge task into manageable parts.

Rocket staging: The image in the meme is a Saturn V rocket, which was the real rocket that took astronauts to the Moon in the late 1960s. This rocket didn’t go to space in one piece; it was built in multiple sections called stages. The picture actually shows the Saturn V’s stages separated out: the big first stage at the left (with five huge engines at the bottom), then the second stage, then the third stage, and so on, getting smaller as you go right. When the Saturn V launched, the first stage fired and then dropped off when its fuel was used up, then the second stage took over and later dropped off, and finally the third stage pushed the spacecraft into orbit (and even towards the Moon). This is literally how all orbital rockets work – they shed empty weight by dropping stages. There’s even a common abbreviation SSTO meaning “Single Stage To Orbit,” which is kind of a holy grail idea; in practice, almost all real rockets need multiple stages to reach orbit because of physics. So, when someone asks “the moon landing was staged?”, an engineer might quip, “Yeah, of course it was multi-stage, that’s the only way to get to the Moon!”

Staging in software deployments: Now, in the world of software and DevOps, we also use the word “staging”, but in a different context. A staging environment is a testing ground for code that is nearly ready for the real world (production). Think of it as a dress rehearsal for your application. You might have heard of development, staging, and production environments:

  • The development environment is where developers build and run the code on their own machines or a shared dev server. It might be a bit messy and have extra logging or debugging turned on.
  • The staging environment is a place that’s set up to be almost exactly like production (the real app that users will use), but it’s not open to the public. We deploy new code to staging first to test it in a realistic setting with production-like data and configuration. If something breaks, it breaks on staging, not on the live site – which is a much safer way to catch issues.
  • The production environment (prod) is the live, user-facing system. That’s where you only want well-tested, reliable code to go, because real customers or critical systems are using it.

So, deploying software often happens in stages: for example, build the software, then test it, then deploy to staging, test again with everything production-like, and finally promote it to production. This sequence is orchestrated by what’s called a CI/CD pipeline. CI/CD stands for Continuous Integration/Continuous Deployment. Continuous Integration is the practice of frequently merging code changes into a shared repository and automatically building/testing them (so you integrate everyone’s code continuously). Continuous Deployment (or Continuous Delivery, sometimes interchangeably) is about automatically deploying the code to further environments (like staging or production) once it passes tests. Tools like Jenkins, GitLab CI, GitHub Actions, or Azure Pipelines are used to define these pipelines. They often explicitly use the term stages or steps for each phase of the pipeline. For example, a simple pipeline might look like this pseudo-code:

# Example of a multi-stage CI/CD pipeline (simplified)
stages:
  - name: Build
    run: compile_code && run_unit_tests
  - name: Staging Deploy
    run: deploy_to_staging && run_integration_tests
  - name: Production Deploy
    run: deploy_to_production

In the above conceptual example, we have a Build stage (compile the code and run unit tests), then a Staging Deploy stage (deploy the new build to a staging environment and run integration tests), and finally a Production Deploy stage (push it out to real users). Each stage depends on success of the previous one, much like each stage of a rocket gets you further only if the last stage did its job. If something goes wrong in the Build or Staging stage, the pipeline stops and we don’t proceed to production. This way, we catch problems early. It’s a core part of DevOps practices to automate this flow and include all these stages to ensure quality and reliability.

Now, understanding all that, the meme’s joke becomes clearer: DevOpsHumor often mocks misunderstandings about these processes. The meme writer takes the goofy question “the moon landing was staged?” and answers it from an engineer’s perspective. The bottom text essentially says, “Yes, it was staged, but not staged as in faked – staged as in done with multiple stages, you fool!” It’s like a veteran engineer responding to a conspiracy theory with dry technical literalism. The juxtaposition is funny because the person asking thinks they’ve uncovered a hoax, but the answer is just basic engineering. It’s the same energy as a junior dev asking, “Wait, is our staging server just a fake version of the app?” and a senior dev replying, “It’s a test version, yes, but the code is real. We use staging to work out issues before the code hits real users. That’s standard practice, nothing suspicious about it.”

Finally, notice the format of the meme: white Impact font text at the top and bottom of the image – that’s the classic meme style for jokes or sarcastic statements. The top text poses a question (or setup), and the bottom text delivers the punchline (or answer). In this case, the punchline includes an expletive for emphasis, which is pretty common in tech memes to convey frustration or incredulity. The speaker in the meme is basically so tired of hearing the silly “it was staged” conspiracy that they drop a little profanity: “that’s how all orbital rockets fucking work, dude.” In DevOps terms, it’s like saying, “Yes, our deployment was staged – that’s how any sane deployment works, my friend.” The coarse language, while not formal, signals the passionate exasperation behind the statement. It’s the kind of blunt rejoinder you’d hear from an Ops engineer who has explained one too many times why we need a staging server or why we roll out software in phases.

So, to sum up the technical elements:

  • Staged rockets: real engineering method where rockets drop sections in flight to reach space (as shown with the Saturn V’s pieces).
  • Staging environment: a testing phase for code, acting as a dress rehearsal for production.
  • CI/CD pipeline with multiple stages: the standard way DevOps teams safely build, test, and deploy code.
  • The meme cleverly connects these, using the double meaning of “staged” to poke fun at conspiracy theorists and to nod at how critical staging is in any complex operation, whether it’s launching a rocket or deploying an app.

Level 3: Staging Ain’t Faking

This meme lands perfectly with experienced engineers and ops folks because it humorously demolishes a misunderstanding using pure technical common sense. The top caption, “the moon landing was staged?”, parrots a classic conspiracy theory insinuation that the Apollo moon landing was faked on a Hollywood set (as if it were all an elaborate stage production). But the meme’s punchline flips the meaning of “staged” on its head. The image of the Saturn V rocket split into its sequential sections sets up the literal truth: of course the Moon landing was “staged” – the rocket had multiple stages! The bottom caption’s blunt response – “yeah that’s how all orbital rockets fucking work dude” – reads like a world-weary DevOps engineer facepalming at an ignorant question. It’s the same energy as a senior developer answering a newbie who just asked if the “staging server” runs fake code: “Buddy, staging doesn’t mean fake, it means we do things in steps. That’s just how serious deployments work, full stop.” 😅

The humor here comes from the double meaning of staging. In conspiracy lingo, “staged” means fabricated or performed on a stage (like a hoax). In engineering, “staged” means divided into well-defined phases. Seasoned devs live by the latter meaning every day. We maintain staging environments, perform multi-stage deployments, and use build pipelines with distinct stages. So the meme takes the conspiracy theorist’s goofy question and answers with a techie’s literal truth. It’s the ultimate well, actually moment: The moon landing wasn’t a Hollywood stage play, it was a triumph of rocket staging. And by sly analogy, rolling out software to production is also a multi-stage process, not a one-shot miracle.

Anyone who’s been on a DevOps or SRE team likely chuckles at this because they’ve dealt with similar misconceptions. Think of a non-technical manager who asks, “Why can’t we just push this change straight to users? Why all these testing stages – is the ‘staging environment’ some fake thing?” The veteran ops engineer has to explain (hopefully sans expletives in front of the boss) that “Yes, the deployment is staged – that’s how we avoid blowing up the site. It’s not over-engineering, it’s literally standard engineering.” In other words, staging ain’t faking; it’s the only sane way to handle big challenges. The BuildPipeline and DeploymentPipeline tags hint at exactly this: our builds and deployments pass through multiple gates (compile, test, QA, stage, etc.) before reaching production. We do this because, much like a rocket ditching empty fuel tanks, we want to progressively eliminate bugs and uncertainties at each phase, ensuring the final step is as smooth as possible.

There’s also an undercurrent of shared frustration and pride in this meme. The frustration is at conspiracy theorists (or inexperienced developers) who confidently proclaim something absurd—like “you guys staged the moon landing / your staging server isn’t real.” The pride comes from knowing the real story: NASA engineers and software engineers alike use brilliant multi-stage designs to achieve the impossible. The DevOpsHumor here is effectively saying: “If you think using stages means it’s fake, you clearly have no clue about the craft.” After all, ContinuousIntegration and staged ContinuousDeployment pipelines might seem extravagant to the uninitiated, just as the Saturn V’s multi-stage design might seem over-engineered to someone who doesn’t understand rockets. But those who’ve been on-call during a 3 A.M. outage or watched footage of a rocket launch know that these staged steps are what stand between success and a spectacular fireball. 🚀🔥

In essence, the meme is a cheeky reminder that complex journeys—whether reaching the Moon or deploying a major release—aren’t accomplished in one giant leap. They’re done in deliberate stages. And anyone suggesting otherwise is going to get a sarcastic, possibly expletive-laced reality check from the folks who make those journeys happen. So the next time a junior dev says “Do we really need a staging server, or is that just for show?”, you have the perfect meme-worthy answer ready: “Yes, our deployment is staged… that’s how all successful launches work, dude.” 😉

Level 4: Delta-v and Deployment

At the deepest technical level, this meme bridges rocket science and DevOps in a brilliant pun. In orbital mechanics, multi-stage rockets are an absolute necessity due to the constraints of physics, specifically the Tsiolkovsky rocket equation. This fundamental formula dictates how much $\Delta v$ (change in velocity) a rocket can achieve based on its fuel mass and exhaust velocity. Put simply: a single giant rocket trying to reach orbit in one go would mostly be hauling the dead weight of empty fuel tanks and spent engines. To overcome this, engineers design rockets in stages. Each stage burns its fuel and then detaches, shedding mass so the next stage can accelerate the now-lighter rocket further. The Saturn V – the colossal launch vehicle that sent Apollo astronauts to the Moon – famously had three primary stages (S-IC, S-II, S-IVB). Each stage was like a chapter in an algorithm, with the first stage providing the brute force off the launch pad, the second taking over in thinner air, and the third delivering the final orbital insertion and trans-lunar push. This staged approach is the only efficient way to achieve orbital velocity without an exponentially impractical amount of fuel. In fact, no chemical rocket could reach the Moon (or even orbit) as a single unit; dropping spent stages is just how all orbital rockets work, period.

Now consider a CI/CD pipeline (Continuous Integration/Continuous Deployment) in software engineering. It’s amusingly analogous. You can think of each pipeline phase as a “stage” in a journey to reach production orbit. If we naively tried a single-stage-to-prod deployment – taking code from a developer’s machine straight to live production in one leap – we’d carry a lot of extra risk and complexity all at once (not to mention a huge chance of catastrophic failure, the software equivalent of a rocket exploding on the launch pad 🔥). Instead, seasoned DevOps engineers break the process into multiple stages: compile the code, run unit tests, deploy to a staging environment, run integration tests, maybe a canary release, and only then push to production. Each stage in the pipeline “drops” some of the burden. For example, after running exhaustive tests, you “drop” those testing concerns and move a leaner, validated build forward. This incremental approach is backed by a principle similar to rocket staging: manage exponential complexity by dividing it into sequential steps, discarding what’s no longer needed at each phase. It’s a convergence of physical law and software best practice – both rockets and robust software deployments require careful staging to reach their final destination. So when the meme retorts with “yeah, that’s how all orbital rockets fucking work, dude”, it’s highlighting a deep truth: whether launching code or a spacecraft, you don’t skip the stages if you intend to reach the Moon (or production) successfully.

Description

The meme features white, sans-serif text on a black background. At the top, it poses the question: 'the moon landing was staged?'. In the center is a diagram showing a multi-stage orbital rocket, like the Saturn V, in an exploded view, with its different sections separated to illustrate its construction. At the bottom, the punchline reads: 'yeah thats how all orbital rockets fucking work dude'. The image leverages a pun on the word 'staged'. It contrasts the common conspiracy theory that the moon landing was faked (staged like a performance) with the literal aerospace engineering definition, where rockets are built in stages that detach as they ascend into orbit. This form of humor, which relies on a technically accurate and pedantic interpretation of a common phrase, is highly relatable to engineers and technically-minded individuals who appreciate precision in language

Comments

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Anonymous ★ Top Pick Of course the moon landing was staged; you can't just git push a 3,000-ton monolith into orbit on a single commit
  1. Anonymous ★ Top Pick

    Of course the moon landing was staged; you can't just git push a 3,000-ton monolith into orbit on a single commit

  2. Anonymous

    Our CI pipeline has fewer stages than Apollo - maybe that’s why it never achieves escape velocity past QA

  3. Anonymous

    Just like how we tell junior devs our staging environment is 'exactly like production' - technically true, but everyone who's been around knows there's always something different when you actually launch

  4. Anonymous

    When someone questions your microservices architecture, just remember: even NASA knew that monolithic designs don't scale to the moon. Stage separation isn't just for rockets - it's the original 'break it into smaller, independently deployable components' pattern. The Saturn V had better service boundaries than most enterprise applications, and it literally had to work in a vacuum

  5. Anonymous

    Every launch is a release pipeline - shed dead mass each stage until only the artifact reaches prod; Tsiolkovsky basically invented multi‑stage Docker builds

  6. Anonymous

    Every orbital rocket is “staged” the same way our releases are - Tsiolkovsky calls it mass ratio; we call it decoupling and throwing half the stack away before prod

  7. Anonymous

    Moon landing 'staged'? Nah dude, that's just a multi-stage Docker build shedding layers post-liftoff

  8. @mr_sarsarabi 1y

    there are people who are still fooled by the nasa about moon landing. it was not staged? they say that the knowledge to the moon is forgotten! they can't land a fucking robot on the moon right now. how should i Believe that they went there and landed without any atmospheric air and had enough fuel to successfully launch their ship again from the moon and they did it many times? the spacex succeeded in vertical landing of rockets in the year 2017. how could they have done that 60 years before that on moon with no atmosphere and with that low level of technology at that time? come on. the cold war is over and american supermacy is ending. tell the world the truth.

    1. dev_meme 1y

      the cold war is over and american supermacy is ending. tell the world the truth. Sir, I'm telegram channel with memes

    2. @mrYakov 1y

      In moon race NASA have almost unlimited fundings. just give NASA that level of funding back and see results, lol.

      1. @TERASKULL 1y

        and unlimited drugs too

      2. @RiedleroD 1y

        observe. the answer to that question also there's just very little reason to go to the moon rn. I mean what would you do there. it's of very little scientific and economic value. "colonize the moon" bruv we haven't even colonized the arctics yet

        1. @mr_sarsarabi 1y

          yeah. where is that knowledge now? i wrote logical observations and facts but people are calling me dumb just because I don't follow the crowd. we know little about space even right now. two astronauts were trapped beside the space station for six months and nobody could do anything. it took so much time to get them back safely. i just can't Believe that they went to moon 60 years ago and came back but they couldn't land a rocket vertically until 2017. the moon landing was obviously a marvel work of the Hollywood. nice work to those who made those footages. and those who made dumb people of that time believe this nonsense.

          1. @RiedleroD 1y

            uhm, you don't know much about space. I know why nasa 60 years ago went to the moon and I know why modern rockets fail too. It's harder to land in an atmosphere than in space btw, obviously the lack of air getting in the way makes it easier. And modern rockets (at least by corporations) are focused on profitability, plus there's been a lot of "go fast and break things" injected from the techspace into airspace. people are calling you dumb because you assume that just because you don't know about something means that other people don't know about it either.

            1. @mr_sarsarabi 1y

              i see that there is no need to visit the moon anymore but but observing from the point of view of an engineer they achieved a lot with so much little fail rate. even now spacex's starship explodes multiple times with all the perfect engineering put to work and still can't complete it's test runs. how should I believe that they did that 60 years ago when supercomputers had 16kb of RAM and a lot less processing power? I think maybe you might reconsider your beliefs and maybe consider for a second that you are the one who is fooled and dumb.

              1. @azizhakberdiev 1y

                How RAM size can affect precision?

              2. @Algoinde 1y

                it's more profitable to explode fast than to pay engineers for 10 years to launch 1 perfect mission

                1. @RiedleroD 1y

                  allegedly at least. I'm not convinced "go fast and break things" is the best strategy everywhere and that companies using that mantra are just successful due to unrelated reasons.

                  1. @Algoinde 1y

                    it keeps shareholders satisfied with things happening

                    1. @Algoinde 1y

                      dead news = stock goes down

                    2. @RiedleroD 1y

                      I guess? that's only really a thing you have to think about if you've got shareholders tho, and we all know how terrible prioritizing short-term profits can be.

                  2. @azizhakberdiev 1y

                    they just need to hype some stuff, Musk is a famous business showman

                    1. @RiedleroD 1y

                      more importantly, musk is rich and he can just buy his way out of problems

                      1. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 1y

                        He cant buy love tho

                        1. @RiedleroD 1y

                          very true

                        2. @ashit_axar 1y

                          Time, i mean time. They don't sell time anywhere.

              3. @Algoinde 1y

                speaking of perfect missions: james webb

              4. @RiedleroD 1y

                three reasons: 1. nasa was trying to perfect a rocket with theoretical knowledge and then have a successful launch, while spacex and many others try to make many cheap rockets and see which ones work better in practice 2. spacex, as big as it is, still has only around 10% as much money as nasa does, not to mention the lack of existing talent, resources, connections and institutional knowledge. 3. they fundamentally try to achieve different things. nasa was about science, spacex is about making money. and as an aside, the board computers are actually quite inconsequential. I don't know what they have in modern rockets, but probably still something quite small to reduce weight. you just don't know that much RAM and processing power to steer a rocket, as weird as that sounds. remember that on a computer, math is quick and most other things are slow - a rocket control unit pretty much only does math. no complicated graphics, no audio processing, no complicated physics engine (in modern ones maybe they account for deformation in the rocket, but even that is quite inexpensive compared to modern games, especially when you make some effort of actually optimizing the damn thing)

                1. @ashit_axar 1y

                  Processing power was bottle neck at the time. Nowadays a fraction of that budget lead you there if your will is true. Sensors and actuators on the shelf. They did it with a PotatoPi, you have a raspberry. 😉😂

                  1. @TheFloofyFloof 1y

                    It's still a bottleneck if you are boeing

                    1. @ashit_axar 1y

                      Olny if you sideload Bitcoin mining on it to fund the expenses 😂😂

              5. @Algoinde 1y

                all questions you might have are easily attributed to greed

            2. dev_meme 1y

              I know why nasa 60 years ago went to the moon and I know why modern rockets fail too But wait, it's because they had scientists from nazi germany! /s

              1. @RiedleroD 1y

                not even wrong tbh, germany was actually the leading country in science before the nazis took over and the smart scientists fled

                1. dev_meme 1y

                  Most of leading ones who were working on nuclear stuff tho. Which is even pre-war were understood by scientists how powerful it will be, and even they actually had lower expectation -- all first in-field expirements provided results much above theoretical predictions For nazis: due to crazy spendings on military research they were leader in rocket science with lots of unique knowledge

                  1. @callofvoid0 1y

                    V1 rocket for example

          2. dev_meme 1y

            I have to understand that they were trapped because --> Boeing <--

            1. dev_meme 1y

              Just a little reminder that Boeing whistleblowsers were found dead shortly before discussions in court I mean, there was more than a single person to who it happened

        2. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 1y

          Uhmmmmm I would like you to look up why. There is various data that we can study on. Possibly even setting up some monitoring device on the moon for more shit. Currently what we are hoping is getting a better view how solar flares and the magnetic field of the earth interact. Not in a lab scale but in a real earth scale.

          1. @RiedleroD 1y

            yes yes but I mean landing on the moon specifically

            1. @RiedleroD 1y

              monitoring devices can be in orbit, landing not necessary

              1. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 1y

                More efficient and reliable

                1. @RiedleroD 1y

                  doubt. but I'm not far enough into specifics to refute that

            2. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 1y

              Yes landing there would allow us to not worry about orbital and saving energy on monitoring and real time transmission

      3. @ashit_axar 1y

        Learnt knowledge cannot be forgotten. it'll be easy once the problem is solved. No hard funding is required now. The math is solved already, supercomputers in your pockets for a cent, what is left ?

        1. @mrYakov 1y

          Lol, moon programm is not about math. Its about building specialised factories that can manufacture rocket parts and test it. After moon programm a lot of that factories closed. Now you still need to rebuild it.

          1. @ashit_axar 1y

            All that is already present, even better ones and newer generations. Most advanced materials and

            1. @mrYakov 1y

              Thats the thing, you cant just make saturn 5 parts from newest materials, because new materials have different properties, so you have to redevelop each part and whole rocket to make sure that everything will works. I dont remember exact keywords, but there was a story when chemical technology was lost just because some of ingredients now manufactured in more clean form and that break reaction. So company was forced to develop contamination stage to reborn this tecnology. And there is question, who pay for that ? Space is expensive as hell, why we should redevelop 60 years old rocket and launch it again to the moon ? What profit we get ? Give another argument that the flight to the moon happened ? Well, if the existing arguments weren't enough, then these arguments won't be enough either.

            2. @lilfluffyears 1y

              As the other guy mentioned, parts and materials change. It's like with food. You can't make your grandmothers chocolate cake like how she made it long ago. We have different egg sizes and quality, All ingredients are made from a new factory AND even the oven is new tech! So to make sure the cake still tastes good, you have to reinvent it to work with what you have now

              1. @ashit_axar 1y

                Yes, but human tech today reached a point where no secret can be held anymore. You suddenly got alien materials? We have spectrometers to analyze the exact elements and quantities. Isn't that enough? We have microscopes capable of counting atoms. No excuses 😉👻

                1. @mrYakov 1y

                  And all of this cost a lot of money, lol. So, again, who should pay for saturn 5 reborn and why ?

                  1. @ashit_axar 1y

                    I don't think it's due to cost if they are not doing it. Maybe there are other reasons, but it's not cost. Nowadays analysis instruments get so cheap that everyone can ask for a DNA inspection. There should be other reasons or i am too saturated with YouTube tech videos 😂😂

                    1. @mrYakov 1y

                      Bro, money is primary reason for almost everything, lol. NASA definitely want building big rockets, but nobody want to give them money for it.

                2. @lilfluffyears 1y

                  Why don't people remake old recipes with technology then? 🤨

                  1. @Algoinde 1y

                    old recipes do get adjusted for new relative compositions if you foolishly follow the old recipe without a good context for how much egg is in the egg, you'll probably be off

        2. _ 1y

          It definitely can, especially if people that developped or discovered it are since retired or dead. For example France paused their nuclear programme for years (meaning mostly no new nuclear power plants), and they now have huge problems to bulid new ones, or even for the maintenance of existing ones

          1. @ashit_axar 1y

            Nuclear pps are not really worth it. Too expensive for the outcome.

            1. dev_meme 1y

              You will need to go deeper here, it's a shit hole Atom energy is among the cheapest ones (competes with location-dependent things like dams and gas-based plants)

              1. @ashit_axar 1y

                Pov: Fossil fuels are not really produced of fossils. Those are just long chains of Carbon atoms formed in pressure deep under the ground. Carbon is one of the most abundant elements on any planet. Just like hydrogen, helium...

            2. dev_meme 1y

              Even though requires massive initial investment, longer build times + risks

              1. @ashit_axar 1y

                Maintenance costs: am i a joke to you? 😂😂

                1. dev_meme 1y

                  That's the thing With current amount of regulations, maintance cost of reactors and plant itself is not far from being neglectable

                2. dev_meme 1y

                  If you mean utilization of radioactive waste and this kind of maintanance, then I would advice to check latest news (for prototypes from 20-40 years ago) of full-cycle plants where radioactive waste is fully reused and clean fuel is only being used to a small degree for start of reaction

        3. @RiedleroD 1y

          that's not how that works. remember that the romans had proper plumbing, and the following civilisations didn't or at most used the little plumbing that was set in stone (literally) and continued to be functional. remember that the greeks before them were completely fine with gay people and such (the romans fucked that one up) and remember that the people before them whose name I forgot had writing, and after a civilisational collapse just up and forgot how to do it, meaning the greeks had to reinvent writing (well, more like import it from someplace else, but yknow)

          1. dev_meme 1y

            We have easy way to explain it "know-how" - those are easily worth millions and more, often not even being patented to avoid being stolen

          2. @ashit_axar 1y

            So you mean NASA engineers don't know how to properly document and comment on their code?

            1. dev_meme 1y

              You really think "code" is that important for a space program?

              1. @ashit_axar 1y

                We already have the infrastructure, all left is to pick the parts off the shelf. You know what I mean We have full CAE (computer aided engineering) workflow

                1. dev_meme 1y

                  We already have the infrastructure This is exactly what everyone is trying to say - we don't Just a reminder: before spacex almost all engines for serious rockets were using RD-180 or RD-181 bought from russia. Think about it

                  1. @ashit_axar 1y

                    This is like saying america has no CPU building knowledge, because all is produced in Taiwan and china now. Think twice... Bro, almost all the CPUs are designed in UK and US.

                    1. dev_meme 1y

                      Sir, you just implied RD-180/181 being designed in US, when it's smaller and weaker export version of RD-170/171 and fully designed in soviet era / russia. Fun fact: russia itself never used RD-180

                    2. _ 1y

                      Note that the design of a CPU layout is really different from the actual production of these layouts. So while the US may know how to design CPU, that doesn't means they're able to produce it, at least not for advanced technology nodes

                      1. dev_meme 1y

                        I like good comments from profiles like yours

                      2. @ashit_axar 1y

                        Nvidia is an American company and is producing new graghic chips in the US now

                        1. dev_meme 1y

                          > Nvidia producing chips in US False

                          1. @ashit_axar 1y

                            I think someone is not following the fresh news

                            1. dev_meme 1y

                              To plan to build a plant is not to start producing chips Modern plants are built on 3-8 years timescale

                              1. @ashit_axar 1y

                                Common, AMSL company is producing 15 EUV chip making instruments each year. The time scale you noted is for stone age

                                1. dev_meme 1y

                                  ASML makes machines

                                2. dev_meme 1y

                                  For lithography They do not produce chips itself

                                  1. @ashit_axar 1y

                                    EUV machines are the bottle neck. All left is playing with dust and mud

                                    1. dev_meme 1y

                                      wtf, are you serious? What are stupid company that ASML -- all those dozens years they might have justadded dust and mud to kill TSMC and Samsung but decided to just sell machines

                                    2. dev_meme 1y

                                      Even after message edit, it's not just playing with dust and mud It's not even just dust and mud, go check youtube video about CPU's design process, lection on grades of silicon purity, and how AMD totally failed with production lines so they had to work with TSMC and even then they failed many times before achieved somewhat production acceptable quality level

                                      1. @ashit_axar 1y

                                        TSMC is also an American company.

                                        1. dev_meme 1y

                                          No, this is entire point!

                                        2. dev_meme 1y

                                          It's literally T in their name! Ok, looks like I'm being trolled there

                                          1. @ashit_axar 1y

                                            So where do Chip dyes come from? Taiwan? No

                                            1. dev_meme 1y

                                              Look, you are really curious but probably just a little bit too early in career for that discussion Likely I shouldn't have joined the discussion when you brought writting code as key obstabcle to repeat of moon program but I'm just a human and got triggered Real life things are much more complicated than code and often do not have straightforward answers. To be honest, code, even in most complicated legacy systems, is one of most straightforward problems you can encounter in real life Due to my background, I couldn't right away give an advice with educational videos about CPU arch design process and how production lines to work on two-didgit nm and lower are being build and maintained. But even surface knowledge you can get on English would help to get better perspective. Pretty sure that there should be some great intro videos into the field on Arabic too But discussing dies production is not trade secret, it's kinda vice versa - fully public knowledge which doesn't make sense in "know-how" discussion

                                      2. dev_meme 1y

                                        and as somewhat of AMD hater in terms of QA: percentage of defective goods that reach consumer still was unacceptably high just few years ago

                            2. dev_meme 1y

                              This is news you're talking about? https://blogs.nvidia.com/blog/nvidia-manufacture-american-made-ai-supercomputers-us/

                      3. _ 1y

                        Then there's still a difference between theorically knowing how to do it, having the tools and processes to do it, and having a good enough yield (i.e. low failure rate) to be economically viable

                2. dev_meme 1y

                  There WAS RS-25 which was terrible economically, and people who knew how to build it were quickly gone -- there's not too many space shuttles launched in the previous 30 years

    3. @pooyabehravesh 1y

      داداش شرفمونو نبر الان همه دنیا فک میکنن ایرانیا اسگلن

      1. dev_meme 1y

        Please, use English around there 🙏

        1. @pooyabehravesh 1y

          Oh sorry about that, you are right I just warned him to not be dumb in his own language.

          1. dev_meme 1y

            It seems probable now, and I really hope that in our lifetime we will get relatively affordable way to travel to/through space as a mere mortals

      2. dev_meme 1y

        There are a lot of people who denies, etc Only stupid people would generalize statements of a few people to entire nation

      3. @ashit_axar 1y

        Dadash, stop making it table. Name no keshvar anywhere.

    4. @djfs333 1y

      80 IQ take

    5. @NitroChromium 1y

      Nobody cares that you're too dumb to understand how it worked, Akshit

      1. @RiedleroD 1y

        …akshit?

        1. @ashit_axar 1y

          Akshit

      2. @Daonifur 2w

        Kick for troll or no? This is their only message

        1. @RiedleroD 2w

          let them stay, whatever

          1. @Daonifur 2w

            I mean, they don't use TG anymore so free kick potentially

            1. @RiedleroD 2w

              yeah still don't do that

              1. @Daonifur 2w

                Okay, fair I guess. Admins will handle the trolls then

                1. @RiedleroD 2w

                  I don't like to ban smalltime trolls. I only ban people when they become a problem

    6. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 1y

      Fr they only faked it so they can claim "they have pictures" of a "spherical earth"

      1. @RiedleroD 1y

        something about flat earthers all around the globe

        1. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 1y

          LMFAO

    7. @ashit_axar 1y

      That actually makes sense. I'm on your side on this.

  9. @DerKnerd 1y

    Sarcasm?

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