Law Beats Encryption Marketing

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The image is a ProtonMail blog page screenshot with a dark header showing the ProtonMail logo and navigation links "About", "Security", "Blog", "Careers", "Support", "Enterprise", plus "LOG IN" and "SIGN UP" buttons. The visible article text says Proton wants to provide clarifications about a climate activist recently arrested by French police, expresses concern about serious-crime legal tools being used in this way, and says it is adding context in the interest of transparency. A second paragraph says Proton received a legally binding order from Swiss authorities, was obligated to comply, and had no possibility to appeal that request. The meme caption context, "law > encryption", lands as a privacy-engineering reminder that encrypted mailbox contents do not necessarily protect metadata, IP logging, or providers from jurisdictional compulsion.

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Anonymous ★ Top Pick End-to-end encryption protects the message; it does not usually come with a jurisdiction escape hatch for the logs.

Anonymous ★ Top Pick

End-to-end encryption protects the message; it does not usually come with a jurisdiction escape hatch for the logs.
@chekoopa 4y

Ehh these privacy fairytales
@Picross3D 4y

What?
@waifu_anton 4y

Could Proton avoid its new policy? It's not a rhetorical question, I honestly wonder if it is so
1. Deleted Account 4y
  
  They had about 3700 requests and contested nearly 750 of them but like they've said this request wasn't possible to contest
@feskow 4y

What if telegram sends private data to Russian gov without the world knowing
1. @pyproman 4y
  
  then use secret chats
  
  @feskow 4y
  
  Okay, telegram please secret chat on desktop
  
  @pyproman 4y
  
  send this to https://github.com/john-preston
  
  @frayxrulez 4y
  
  Use windows or macOS
  
  Deleted Account 4y
  
  wow why
  
  @frayxrulez 4y
  
  Because there you can have secret chats
  
  Deleted Account 4y
  
  they aren't secret there
  
  @frayxrulez 4y
  
  They are
  
  Deleted Account 4y
  
  if you are hiding data from common users, pms are secret enough, if you are hiding it from a gvmt — no secret chat will ever help you
  
  @feskow 4y
  
  There is no secret chat in Telegram Desktop for Windows.
  
  @frayxrulez 4y
  
  You can use Unigram on Windows.
  
  @RiedleroD 4y
  
  linux exists yk
  
  @frayxrulez 4y
  
  That's why I said use windows or macOS 😏
  
  @RiedleroD 4y
  
  funneh
  
  @pyproman 4y
  
  No
  
  @freeapp2014 4y
  
  Use Mac OS
  
  @feskow 4y
  
  Can you run iOS app on Mac os?
  
  @freeapp2014 4y
  
  “Telegram for Mac”
  
  @anatoli26 4y
  
  That’s the whole point.. T doesn’t make e2e encryption on purpose and makes secret chats a feature mostly unusable for ordinary users, this way THEY have access to all the communications
2. @Eugene1319 4y
  
  If it would be, there had been some arrests what are based on the messages from the Telegram. I have never heard such
  
  dev_meme 4y
  
  There were a lot, actually
  
  Deleted Account 4y
  
  Not as a result of telegram giving info about users. User was hacked by officials.
  
  @Eugene1319 4y
  
  But as far as I know, such cases weren't linked with licked information from TG or information what was given from TG to a government. Usually, in a common chat could be a special person who is observing published messages and try to find some targets.
3. @anatoli26 4y
  
  I’d be more concerned with the data leaking to western totalitarian governments, like the French one.. T is legally located in UAE and their servers are spread around the world
  
  @RiedleroD 4y
  
  since when is france totalitarian?
  
  Deleted Account 4y
  
  Yeah it's not
4. @thematdev 4y
  
  But at least it doesn't spy on you
5. Deleted Account 4y
  
  I have serious doubts about this. Owner of the telegram, Pavel Durov, was previously raided by russian regime, and he was forced to sell his social network, Vkontakte, to one of putins oligarchs. After that, Durov basically escaped from Russia. So i think he doesnt cooperate with people, who robbed him. Btw, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram and other are sending private data to us gov and everyone knows that.
  
  @feskow 4y
  
  Well telegram was blocked before, RKN was trying to block Telegram (but not successfully). After some time suddenly Telegram was unblocked. That is kinda sus
  
  dev_meme 4y
  
  Coz tg started to work with gov
  
  dev_meme 4y
  
  Tg officials held same stage with top politicians in Russia after unblock
  
  Deleted Account 4y
  
  Coz russians failed to block telegram.
  
  @feskow 4y
  
  It sounds like "I cant block them, welp, not my problem"
  
  Deleted Account 4y
  
  Well, yes, this how everything in Russia works. If officials failed to do something they just saying " well, good, everything goes as planned".
  
  Deleted Account 4y
  
  Telegram wasnt successfully blocked. Rkn failed with that.
6. @beton_kruglosu_totchno 4y
  
  true but russian government essentially stolen VK.com from Durov so there is no reason on the surface for him to do so
  
  @alexandr_guluta 4y
  
  Money can be the reason to anything
Deleted Account 4y

https://fossbytes.com/protonmail-privacy-climate-activist-case/ Btw encryption isn't related to this at all because protonmail have disclosed only ip not emails
@FunnyGuyU 4y

Such things never happened before and here it goes again 🤣
@f3rr0us 4y

Also, makes a point that Swiss jurisdiction is not "ideal" or "perfectly safe" by any means.
@scout_ca11sign 4y

Daily reminder: fuck politicians who talk about climate change, they will put us all in digital jail
1. @thematdev 4y
  
  yes
@Agent1378 4y

That's beautiful and very good news. These climate activists are one of the worst kind of any activists. They do what the want, destroy property, assault people and etc and etc.
Deleted Account 4y

lol, no
@alexandr_guluta 4y

Telegram banned Navalny's bot today
@p4vook 4y

Tg is much less transparent and trustworthy than protonmail IMO
1. @pyproman 4y
  
  At least Telegram has secret chats
  
  @sylfn 4y
  
  but they are not turned on by default
  
  @p4vook 4y
  
  Bruh they're only called secret and they're not the default option
  
  @pyproman 4y
  
  Well then use signal or just met in real life bruh
  
  @p4vook 4y
  
  That's not a valid argument
@freeapp2014 4y

telegram probably considers your desktop to be way too insecure for this purpose
@Alienatick 4y

It's not like they gave away our messages!!

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