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The Unhelpful Solidarity of Apple Developer Forums
Apple Post #5958, on Apr 11, 2024 in TG

The Unhelpful Solidarity of Apple Developer Forums

Why is this Apple meme funny?

Level 1: All Stuck Together

Imagine you and your friend both have a toy that suddenly stops working. You go to an adult and say, “My toy is broken.” Your friend chimes in, “Oh really?” and you say, “Yes, it won’t work.” Then your friend says, “Mine is broken too.” Now the two of you just sit there looking at each other, both with broken toys, and no one fixes them. It’s a little funny because you both have the same problem and you both know it… but also kind of sad because neither of you knows how to fix it and the person who could help isn’t responding. The meme is like that: a bunch of people all saying they have the same issue, and then nothing else happens. They’re all stuck together with the issue, and no grown-up (in this case, the company that made the toy – or Apple, who made the software) comes to help at that moment. It’s funny in the way that sharing the problem is the only thing they can do, like everyone just raising their hand to say “Me too!” and then there’s silence. At least they know they’re not the only ones with a broken toy, but the toy is still broken for everyone.

Level 2: Me Too, No Answer

Let’s break down what’s happening in this meme. The scenario is about the official Apple Developer Forums, which are online message boards where programmers can ask questions about making apps for iPhones, iPads, Macs, etc. You’d hope to get answers or help there. But this meme highlights a common developer frustration: instead of solutions, many threads on that forum just have people saying “I have the same problem.” It’s basically a bunch of developers all raising their hand to say “me too!” without anyone providing a fix.

In the tweet, the conversation is written with dashes - and equal signs = to represent two different people talking (kind of like bullet points for each person’s turn). One person says, “I have an issue”, and the other responds, “oh yeah?” as if interested or wanting more info. The first person confirms, “yes”, they indeed have an issue. Then the second person goes, “me too.” After that, the dialogue just stops, indicated by the “....” lines. The joke is that the thread ends there, with no solution given. This mirrors many real posts on Apple’s forums: someone asks a question or reports a bug, and the only replies are others saying they encounter it as well. Everyone is essentially waiting for help that never arrives in the thread.

For a junior developer or someone new to the Apple ecosystem, this can be really confusing and frustrating. Imagine you’re building your first iPhone app and you hit a weird error that you don’t understand – say, Xcode (Apple’s development tool) is giving you a mysterious build failure. You search online and find an official forum discussion where the exact same error is described. You feel relieved, thinking “Great, others had this issue, there must be an answer here.” But when you open it, you just see posts like: “Yeah, I have this issue too, any updates?” and “Same problem here.” There’s no solution posted anywhere in the thread. It’s essentially a dead end.

Here’s a hypothetical example of what such a forum thread might look like:

Original Poster: “Xcode crashes every time I try to archive my app for the App Store. Anyone else seeing this?”
Responder 1: “I’m encountering this too on Xcode 15.3, MacBook Pro M1.”
Responder 2: “Same here, started after updating to iOS 17. It might be a bug. Following!”
Responder 3: “Me too – no idea how to fix it. Apple, please help.”
***(silence... no official answer follows)*

In this made-up snippet, several developers all report the same AppleEcosystem problem (perhaps a bug in Apple’s tools or APIs), but nobody actually knows the solution. This is exactly what the meme is joking about. Instead of a helpful reply from an expert or Apple engineer, the thread becomes an echo chamber of “me too”. The term “community_support_void” captures this feeling: it’s like shouting your question into a well and only hearing your own voice (or others shouting the same thing) back.

Why does this happen? One reason is that Apple’s internal culture and policies mean that employees seldom engage on public forums. When a problem is really an Apple bug, sometimes the only real fix is for Apple to release an update patching it – but until then, no one outside Apple can truly solve it. So other developers just post solidarity replies like “yes, I see it too” which at least confirms that you’re not doing something wrong. It’s a tiny bit comforting to know the issue isn’t just your setup. This pattern is a known DeveloperPainPoint in the Apple developer community. It contrasts with platforms like Stack Overflow, where usually someone might post a workaround or answer (or the question gets marked as a duplicate of another with an answer). On Apple’s official forums, you often just have to wait. Sometimes days or weeks later, an Apple staff member might mark the thread as “Resolved in next OS update” or something, but often there’s no response at all.

For a newer developer, this is a learning moment about DeveloperExperience (DX) in different ecosystems. Apple’s ecosystem has lots of great tools and documentation, but community support can feel lacking. You might hear advice like, “If you run into a bug, file a bug report with Apple and cross your fingers.” In the meantime, threads full of me-too comments at least tell you that you’re not alone. The meme is both funny and a bit tragic because the conversation ends awkwardly with “...”, which is exactly how it feels to be on that forum thread hitting refresh, hoping someone, anyone, will eventually drop in with the magic answer – but nothing comes. It’s comedic in a head-smack way: of course that thread had no solution, we’ve all seen that movie before!

Level 3: Solidarity Without Solutions

Apple Developer Forums have a notorious reputation in the AppleEcosystem: threads often devolve into a chorus of “I have this issue too” without any actual fix being shared. The meme captures this perfectly. It parodies a forum Q&A where the only replies are other developers chiming in with me_too_replies. For experienced iOS/macOS developers, this scenario is painfully familiar. You’ll be debugging some obscure Xcode bug or a mysterious SwiftUI crash, find a thread on Apple’s official forums with your exact problem, and think “Eureka, an answer!” – only to discover the conversation goes like:

  • Dev A: “I have an issue.”
  • Dev B: “oh yeah?” (as if expecting more details)
  • Dev A: “yes.” (confirms the bug is real)
  • Dev B: “me too.”

Then... silence. The thread trails off into an ellipsis of nothingness (...). No Apple engineer swoops in with a solution, no accepted answer materializes, and the community_support_void sets in. It’s essentially a group of developers performing a ritual of solidarity for each other’s pain but getting zero actual support. In the DeveloperCommunity, this is both darkly comic and frustrating. The humor here comes from shared exasperation: everyone reading that tweet has lived the “me too” nightmare on official forums or mailing lists. It’s a form of collective venting. We laugh because it’s true – and because otherwise we’d cry at how often we’re left hanging with a bug we can’t fix ourselves.

On a deeper level, the meme is commenting on DeveloperExperience (DX) within closed ecosystems like Apple’s. Apple is known for its polished products, but its developer support channels can feel like a ghost town. Unlike open-source communities on GitHub or Q&A sites like Stack Overflow (where an accepted answer or a helpful snippet might appear), the Apple Developer Forums are infamous for threads that garner a dozen “+1 I have this problem” replies and nothing else. It’s an inside joke among seasoned iOS devs that posting on Apple’s forums is like shouting into the void – you mostly get an echo back. As a result, developers often rely on unofficial channels: Twitter, Stack Overflow, or third-party Slack groups, hoping someone out there found a workaround. Apple’s own engineers rarely chime in on these forum threads (they might be restricted by policies or just overwhelmed with duplicate bug reports). Instead, the “official” guidance is usually “file a bug report” (Apple’s bug reporting system historically called Radar, now Feedback Assistant). But those bug reports are private, so other devs can’t see the outcome. The forum then becomes a place where folks simply confirm the bug isn’t just happening to them. That confirmation has some value – it tells you “okay, it’s not my app coding error, it’s Apple’s problem” – but it doesn’t solve your immediate issue.

The tweet’s format with - and = mimicking a dialogue highlights how absurd these exchanges feel. It’s basically two strangers on the internet saying “Yep, we’re both stuck!” and then staring at each other, stuck in limbo. No hero arrives. For a Cynical Veteran developer, this triggers war stories: “Ah, I remember that iOS 14 beta thread about widgets crashing... 15 people said ‘me too’ and we never heard back until Apple quietly fixed it in the next release.” 😒 The humor has a bite of truth: as developers, we bond over these DeveloperPainPoints – it’s a shared suffering scenario. We’ve learned to manage expectations on these forums: no_solution_threads are the norm, not the exception. In an environment as tightly controlled as Apple’s, sometimes the only answer is waiting for Apple to fix the bug in a future update. Until then, all you get is camaraderie from fellow developers drifting in the same leaky boat. The meme is funny because it turns that frustrating reality into a concise, deadpan “conversation” that cuts off exactly where hope for a fix would normally appear. It’s the perfect punchline for those of us who’ve refreshed a forum page for days, only to find more “I have this issue too, any updates?” posts. In short, this is DeveloperHumor drawn from real-life experience: we laugh in recognition of the absurdity that on Apple’s own support forums, the best help you often get is just knowing you’re not alone in the struggle.

Description

A screenshot of a tweet from user Amr (@AmrHossam96) that humorously depicts a conversation on Apple's developer forums. The text, set against a black background, reads: "Apple developer forums be like: - I have an issue = oh yeah ? - yes = me too. - .... = ....". This meme format critiques the common and frustrating experience on developer forums where problems are acknowledged by others but not solved, creating a sense of shared misery rather than providing solutions. It specifically targets the perceived lack of effective support and community-driven answers within the Apple developer ecosystem, a well-known pain point for many iOS and macOS developers

Comments

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Anonymous ★ Top Pick The Apple developer forum is Stack Overflow in hard mode: no accepted answers, and everyone has the same unresolved issue from 2014
  1. Anonymous ★ Top Pick

    The Apple developer forum is Stack Overflow in hard mode: no accepted answers, and everyone has the same unresolved issue from 2014

  2. Anonymous

    Apple Dev Forums: a massive append-only log of duplicate Radars - great case study in eventual consistency, terrible way to unblock the sprint

  3. Anonymous

    After 15 years in the industry, I've learned that Apple Developer Forums are just Stack Overflow's evil twin - same questions, same problems, but instead of 'marked as duplicate,' you get an endless chain of 'me too' followed by radio silence until someone discovers the fix was to increment the build number and sacrifice a USB-C dongle under a full moon

  4. Anonymous

    Apple Developer Forums: where your critical production bug gets the same response as a philosophical question about existence - 'me too' followed by the sound of crickets. It's like Stack Overflow's abandoned cousin who moved to Cupertino, took a vow of silence, and now just nods sympathetically at your SwiftUI layout constraints breaking in ways that violate the laws of physics

  5. Anonymous

    Apple Developer Forums are a CRDT that only supports the Ack operation - 'same here' commutes perfectly, but the resolve() handler was never implemented

  6. Anonymous

    Apple dev forums run Raft: instant consensus on “me too,” a replicated log of rdar://duplicates, and nothing actually commits until WWDC

  7. Anonymous

    Apple dev forums: Where 'me too' achieves consensus faster than CAP theorem in distributed systems

  8. @trainzman 2y

    Literally any technical forums with weak rules

    1. @TERASKULL 2y

      on Microsoft forums: "have you tried /scannow yet??"

  9. @trainzman 2y

    Except like stackoverflow family

    1. @realVitShadyTV 2y

      Stackoverflow: - I have problem - Here is -200 reputation for you, there already was similar question ten years ago

      1. @trainzman 2y

        Classic joke

      2. @azizhakberdiev 2y

        Also stackoverflow: User: I have a question Others: Good question (600 upvotes, still no answer) User, 4 months later: Nvm, I found a solution (does not describe solution, closes question)

  10. @DenDrobiazko 2y

    Go Android

  11. @anilakar 2y

    Microsoft support forum be like: User: I have an issue Support: Hello, please update your operating system and antivirus User: That does not solve the issue. I run Linux and this issue is in your online services, anyway. S: Hello again, please contact your system administrator U: I run my own system, and you didn't even read my previous messages. S: Please visit the Microsoft 365 Edge Office Defender Outlook Dashboard and change this setting. (Support rep marks the thread as solved) U: I am not subscribed to those services, and the issue is in an unrelated component User2: I have the same issue and I can confirm Support rep is not even reading what User is saying S: Hello User2, if you have a different issue, please open another ticket One year later: User3: This issue can be easily solved by going to X, clicking Y and then finally cycling Feature off and on again at Z to force a refresh. (+87126 upvotes, no further replies)

    1. @WaterCat73 2y

      User 3: tries to publish solution Support forum: this thread is locked, you can't reply in it

  12. @i_am_no_tree 2y

    iOS developer: I have an iss… Apple support: Go fuck urself

  13. @p_0xbadf00d 2y

    reading iOS documentation

    1. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 2y

      https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/uwp/api/windows.ui.input.pointerpoint.isincontact

      1. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 2y

        Same energy here

    2. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 2y

      https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/uwp/api/windows.devices.sensors.gyrometerreading.angularvelocityx?view=winrt-22621#windows-devices-sensors-gyrometerreading-angularvelocityx

      1. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 2y

        Wait this is ever better

  14. @misesOnWheels 2y

    I have this error please kindly provide solution thanks in advanced

  15. Deleted Account 1y

    The "me too" comment could perfectly be a third user in that same conversation lol

  16. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 1y

    This is actually extremely true. Exactly described the phenomenon I had when switching from windows to iOS💀

    1. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 1y

      There is literally nothing you can do

      1. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 1y

        The best answer I ever got was "we will redirect your issue to possibly be implemented in the next iOS update" which literally meant at the time I need to buy a new iphone even to get that issue solved because the phone was on its last feature update

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