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VPN Vendors Yelling Past Each Other About Who Sees Your Traffic
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VPN Vendors Yelling Past Each Other About Who Sees Your Traffic

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A dark-mode X.com screenshot of a quote-tweet battle between two VPN companies. Windscribe (@windscribecom) repeats four times in all caps: 'VPN IS A TRUST SHIFT SERVICE, IT CAN SEE THE SAME THINGS YOUR ISP CAN'. It quotes a Proton VPN (@ProtonVPN) post that repeats five times: 'YOUR ISP CAN SEE YOUR TRAFFIC, USE A VPN'. Engagement metrics show 97 replies, 182 reposts, 3.5K likes, 242K views. The meme captures the security-marketing reality check: a VPN does not eliminate traffic visibility, it merely moves the trusted observer from your ISP to the VPN provider - a nuance most consumer VPN advertising conveniently omits

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Anonymous ★ Top Pick A VPN doesn't remove the man in the middle - it just lets you pick which man invoices you monthly
  1. Anonymous ★ Top Pick

    A VPN doesn't remove the man in the middle - it just lets you pick which man invoices you monthly

  2. Anonymous

    A VPN doesn't delete the trust boundary; it gives it a logo and a subscription plan.

  3. @RaySollium99 6mo

    Windscribe and Mullvad are the REAL Based VPN companies, not Proton, Nord or (especially) Kape

    1. @tema3210 6mo

      And still, nothing beats the custom vpn server in a good country with properly set up encryption

      1. @RaySollium99 6mo

        This

      2. dev_meme 6mo

        Good country? Give me an example

        1. @Bjastkuliar 6mo

          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzdJsRmRTyw

        2. @Navmesh 6mo

          depending on individual needs, I just use Swiss for torrenting and Ger just if I need VPN and speed.

        3. @TarasPushkar24 6mo

          It reminds me of that russian guy, how rented a flat in Kaliningrad just to set up starlink + vpn in it, cause elon banned his service in the rest of russia

      3. @thegrandwazoo 6mo

        mmmm, good country...

        1. @tema3210 6mo

          Anything with internet, corrupt and unresponsive government, like Bulgaria for example, if you can find cloud providers with hosting there (not germany bulk reseller)

      4. @SamsonovAnton 6mo

        VPS is a trust shift service, as the hosting provider can see the same things your ISP or VPN service provider can. 😝 Who cares, though, given that virtually all traffic is TLS-protected anyway (except online gaming, perhaps)?

        1. @tema3210 6mo

          The traffic itself is encrypted yeah, but still much info can be attributed via side channels, like when a host on watchlist has been contacted, by whom and so on. This allows malicious actors to still build fuzzy but extremely useful datamap. The VPS alleviates this given you share it with friends, so all silly things of all of you make up a "super villan" to the outside

          1. @SamsonovAnton 6mo

            But why are you trying to contact a watchlisted host, in the first place? Are you up to something — like downloading extremist tools, such as 7-Zip or SPECcpu? 😆

      5. @mrYakov 6mo

        How about chain of multiple servers on different countries?

        1. @tema3210 6mo

          And make them rotate based on the weather and crackhead math... Just to be sure) Such is think is justified if you are selling smth on darknet, too expensive for personal usage

          1. @chupasaurus 6mo

            i2p isn't expensive for personal use 😉

  4. @RaySollium99 6mo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iaJ0hCTCvdY

  5. @hyena_stuff 6mo

    Most paid VPNs will be better than your ISP - including Nord and the like. If you read your ISP's privacy policy, you'll likely be horrified (if you're in the US anyway). Most paid VPNs have much better privacy policies, since that's what they're selling.

    1. _ 6mo

      What about EU ISPs ? I guess GPRD and the like force them to have somewhat reasonable policies, but are they on par or still worse than VPNs ?

  6. @hyena_stuff 6mo

    The perfect is the enemy of the good. If you have the time and energy to get a very excellent VPN, do so - but if you're facing decision paralysis, it's ok to get one that's good enough

  7. @hyena_stuff 6mo

    I dunno, that's why I added the "at least in the US" qualifier. Definitely less of a privacy nightmare than over here, but not sure by what degree

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