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Intel’s 13th-14th Gen CPUs: When Permanent Hardware Bugs Meet Dev Fatalism
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Intel’s 13th-14th Gen CPUs: When Permanent Hardware Bugs Meet Dev Fatalism

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Mobile screenshot of a The Verge article. Top banner shows the cyan Verge logo and a hamburger icon labeled “Menu”. Section tags read “INTEL / TECH / DESKTOPS”. Bold headline text states: “There is no fix for Intel’s crashing 13th and 14th Gen CPUs - any damage is permanent / Here are the answers we got from Intel.” A by-line underneath credits Sean Hollister and date “Jul 26, 2024 at 5:54 PM GMT+2”; a speech-bubble icon shows “42 Comments (42 New)”. Lower half displays a photo of an Intel Core i9-13900K CPU angled on its blue retail box. The image underscores hardware-level faults that software, firmware, or microcode patches cannot repair, highlighting the grim reality of silicon defects for developers operating production systems

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Anonymous ★ Top Pick Architectural takeaway from the 13900K fiasco: immutable infrastructure is brilliant right up until the immutability is the bug - you can’t rollback a 10 nm etch
  1. Anonymous ★ Top Pick

    Architectural takeaway from the 13900K fiasco: immutable infrastructure is brilliant right up until the immutability is the bug - you can’t rollback a 10 nm etch

  2. Anonymous

    Intel finally achieved true hardware immutability - once your CPU degrades, that state change is cryptographically permanent. It's like they implemented write-once memory at the silicon level, except nobody asked for WORM drives in their processor cores

  3. Anonymous

    When Intel said their 13th and 14th gen CPUs would have 'lasting performance,' they weren't kidding - the damage is literally permanent. It's the hardware equivalent of a memory leak you can't patch: no microcode update, no BIOS fix, just a very expensive paperweight that occasionally crashes. At least with software bugs you can blame the previous developer; with silicon degradation, you can only blame physics... and maybe the validation team that signed off on those voltage curves

  4. Anonymous

    Intel's 13th/14th Gen: hardware tech debt that compounds faster than a legacy monolith under prod load

  5. Anonymous

    Postmortem TL;DR: not a kernel bug - just electromigration; rollback doesn’t apply to silicon lattices, so the runbook is “drain node, swap CPU, update RMA budget.”

  6. Anonymous

    Intel’s 13th/14th‑gen taught me that “graceful degradation” can be literal - leave PL2 on “Motherboard Unlimited” and your V/F curve turns into a write-once log

  7. @razordude 2y

    RIP Intel https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b6vQlvefGxk&list=WL&index=1&pp=gAQBiAQB

  8. @Hollow_Arigo 2y

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boMaTNuYTyg&pp=ygUg0LvRg9GH0YjQtSDQutGD0L_QuCDRgNCw0LnQt9C10L0%3D

  9. @beton_kruglosu_totchno 2y

    depends on VID table, you might never have issues

  10. @Hollow_Arigo 2y

    POV: Buying Intel

    1. dev_meme 2y

      I bought Ryzen few years ago for my relatives, it was 5600X Guess what? It didn’t booted Went to replace, we tried it on 3 different mobo and it didn’t worked so I got replacement Guess what? New one didn’t booted either but a bit differently Third one didn’t booted neither 4th one finally worked, like, fml Tell me about choosing Ryzen for home PC 🤡

      1. @Hollow_Arigo 2y

        Okay, your story was fun but you are first and alone from who I hear about 3 Brocken chips. Maybe you just unlucky. I use ryzen 3+ years and everything is great. My friends using ryzen and still, everything great.

        1. dev_meme 2y

          I never heard about getting 3 broken CPUs in a row too

        2. dev_meme 2y

          And you can imagine how joyful was that experience of communication with the shop to got those replacements

        3. @Araalith 2y

          TBH Opteron was good, but Ryzen is just "cheaper and almost as good as Intel"

          1. @qtsmolcat 2y

            My experience is that ryzen is generally better in performance vs power usage

        4. dev_meme 2y

          Well, “I use ryzen 3+ years and everything is great.” is pretty bad take I use Intel for 20+ and never had a defective chip. It doesn’t mean their QA catches all defective chips But to get 3 defective chips in the row from the shop means manufacturer got some serious problems with QA of their products

          1. @Araalith 2y

            I have used Intel since the 8088 series, and not a single chip has failed. In contrast, I have two burned-out AMD chips - one had a stuck fan and the chip died in a few seconds, as if the overheating protection was a joke, the second just died without any visible reason.

            1. @Le_o_R 2y

              A long time ago I watched a video where a guy was running an Intel CPU without a fan and an AMD CPU without a fan. The Intel kept shutting off. The AMD fried.

              1. @leandrofriedrich 2y

                THG ❤️

          2. @Agent1378 2y

            I bet shop fucked with customer and gave back the same chip

      2. @Araalith 2y

        AMD is the best heater ever. Why do you need it booted?

        1. dev_meme 2y

          To produce heat? How else to do you load it properly to warm up a room?

          1. @Araalith 2y

            Just turn it on

  11. @beton_kruglosu_totchno 2y

    btw the best protection other than buying ryzen is this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2G-Y0yDSfeA

    1. @Hollow_Arigo 2y

      buying specific motherboard to fix Intel issues? great

    2. @megapro17 2y

      What a fuck tldr

      1. @beton_kruglosu_totchno 2y

        1) Intel seems to request even higher voltage before load hits to never have undershoots, can be as high as 1.6V+ (even high voltage rail resistance does not make it safe) 2) specifically on Gigabyte motherboards there's setting which tells Intel "never use anything higher than X" which means that CPU does not destroy itself anymore but works at lower frequencies naturally And if voltages are indeed THE problem then it's the most straightforward solution of that problem.

  12. @beton_kruglosu_totchno 2y

    Buildzoid also uncovers new Intel property in that video.

  13. @razordude 2y

    My USB peripherals may be randomly disconnecting and reconnecting or lagging on my Ryzen PC, but at least it's not going to suddenly stop working 👌

  14. @SamsonovAnton 2y

    Thanks god I just started using 11900 (which I had bought 2 years ago but did not have time to assemble). 😆

  15. @samorosnie 2y

    U guys using something newer than 4th gen?

    1. Deleted Account 2y

      same.

    2. @Le_o_R 2y

      i7 3rd gen is my daily driver. It's some Dell laptop my employer got rid of.

  16. @SomeWhereIBelong 2y

    Why would anyone use intel at this point i dont get it

    1. @dsmagikswsa 2y

      It is like why people use Windows at this point too...

  17. @Edward_James 2y

    Well... Recall exists

    1. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 2y

      Greed exists

      1. @Edward_James 2y

        Then intel should collapse 😂 70% of market would be a sweet piece of cake and a lot of cheap intel slaves to hire lol

  18. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 2y

    10th gen gang

  19. @Hollow_Arigo 2y

    GN?

    1. @Johnny_bit 2y

      https://youtu.be/b6vQlvefGxk

    2. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 2y

      GamersNexus new drama channel

  20. @Le_o_R 2y

    Laughing in i7 3rd gen like a maniac.

  21. Deleted Account 2y

    i'm starting to think that laptops with this generations will be resold very cheap.

  22. @kandiesky 2y

    Intel today is AMD in the era of the FX

    1. @kandiesky 2y

      Except they are doing worse while still maintaining market dominance

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