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Best Effort Daemonic Child Cleanup
OperatingSystems Post #4342, on Apr 21, 2022 in TG

Best Effort Daemonic Child Cleanup

Why is this OperatingSystems meme funny?

Level 1: Closing Time

Imagine a teacher says, "When class ends, I attempt to get all the students out of the room." That sounds less comforting than "everyone leaves." Some students may be stuck, hiding, or still holding the scissors. The meme is funny because the documentation uses one careful word that tells programmers, "This usually works, except when it becomes your problem."

Level 2: Child Processes Behaving Badly

multiprocessing is a Python feature for running work in separate processes. A process is like a separate running copy of a program with its own memory. A child process is started by another process, called its parent.

A daemon child process is meant to be background work that should not keep the main program alive forever. When the main process exits, Python tries to stop those daemonic children too. The meme focuses on the word attempts because "tries to stop" is weaker than "definitely stops safely." If a child process is busy, stuck, or holding something important, ending it can create SubtleBugs.

For a junior developer, this is the lesson: concurrency is not just "run more things at the same time." It also means deciding who owns shutdown, who waits for whom, what happens to unfinished work, and how errors are reported. A program with multiple processes needs an exit plan, not just a start button.

Level 3: Best-Effort Cleanup

The screenshot is funny because it looks like reassuring technical documentation until the highlighted phrase quietly opens a trapdoor:

it attempts to terminate all of its daemonic child processes.

Experienced developers know that "attempts" in docs is not filler. It means someone filed bugs. It means there are edge cases where the simple mental model failed badly enough that the wording had to become legally and technically precise. The sentence promises a best-effort cleanup strategy, not a deterministic guarantee that every child process will stop cleanly, immediately, and with all resources in a wholesome little basket.

This is exactly the kind of phrase that makes Backend and SystemsProgramming developers stare at the wall for a moment. A multiprocessing worker might be consuming from a queue, holding a database connection, writing a file, or waiting on a subprocess of its own. If the parent exits and the runtime terminates that worker, the work may stop mid-operation. Maybe that is acceptable because the worker is disposable. Maybe it means a lock remains held, a temp file survives, or half a job gets committed. The difference is architecture, not vibes.

The post's #OutOfContext label heightens the joke because the sentence is mundane in context and ominous when isolated. Technical documentation often has this flavor: one calm line that encodes years of failure modes. daemon, multiprocessing, and ProcessManagement are powerful precisely because they let programs do multiple things at once. They are also powerful in the other historical sense: they can hurt you from far away.

Level 4: SIGTERM Has Conditions

Of course you can, and should, use daemon even with multiprocessing. Here, when the main process exits, it attempts to terminate all of its daemonic child processes.

The highlighted word attempts is doing a lot of systems-programming damage control. Process termination is not a pure language-level operation; it crosses into the operating system's process model, signal delivery, scheduler timing, inherited resources, file descriptors, pipes, locks, and whatever the child process was doing at the exact moment the parent decided the show was over. Python can request cleanup, but the OS and the child process still get votes, and they vote in the traditional distributed way: inconsistently, under pressure, and with logs that arrive after you needed them.

In Python's multiprocessing, a daemon process is not the same thing as a Unix daemon service. It is a lifecycle flag that says the child should not outlive the parent in the normal managed sense. That sounds tidy until reality enters. A child may be blocked in I/O, holding a lock, flushing a queue, writing to a pipe, running C extension code, or sitting between two states the parent cannot introspect safely. On POSIX-like systems, termination often involves signals such as SIGTERM, which can be handled or delayed. A harsher kill can stop the process, but it does not politely unwind Python stack frames, run finally blocks, or release application-level invariants. On Windows, process termination has different mechanics but the same emotional message: "clean shutdown" and "process no longer exists" are not synonyms.

That is why the documentation says attempts instead of "guarantees." A parent can try to terminate daemonic children, but it may not be able to ensure graceful completion, cleanup ordering, successful buffer flushing, or the fate of anything the child spawned indirectly. If the main process itself is killed abruptly, crashes, or exits during interpreter shutdown, the neat parent-child story can degrade into resource leaks, orphaned work, corrupted partial output, or a test suite that only fails when nobody is watching.

Description

A cropped screenshot of technical documentation shows most surrounding lines blurred, while one sentence remains readable and partly highlighted in blue. The visible text says: "Of course you can, and should, use daemon even with multiprocessing. Here, when the main process exits, it attempts to terminate all of its daemonic child processes." The joke is the careful wording of "attempts to terminate," which turns what sounds like deterministic process cleanup into a best-effort promise. For experienced developers, the highlighted phrase evokes all the shutdown, signal-handling, and orphaned-process edge cases hidden behind a reassuring docs sentence.

Comments

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Anonymous ★ Top Pick Nothing says deterministic shutdown like documentation quietly downgrading it to a best-effort syscall fanfic.
  1. Anonymous ★ Top Pick

    Nothing says deterministic shutdown like documentation quietly downgrading it to a best-effort syscall fanfic.

  2. @RiedleroD 4y

    hmm let's rephrase that "it attempts to kill all of its daemonic children" based christian thread

  3. @LineDiscipline 4y

    демон != даемон

    1. @RiedleroD 4y

      please use english or provide a translation for your russian text

      1. @feskow 4y

        demon != daemon

        1. @Araalith 4y

          "team was the first to use the term daemon, inspired by Maxwell's demon" So, it is.

        2. @Engineer01IQ 4y

          please use Arabic or provide a translation for your English text

          1. @feskow 4y

            This chat is specifically English based, as it is international language, after all. If you have troubles understanding written text, perhaps, you should refer to translators or git gud at English.

            1. @feskow 4y

              Plus, j have no idea whether Google translated text to Arabic is any good

            2. @Engineer01IQ 4y

              Im joking bro xd😹

  4. @callofvoid0 4y

    I still don't understand why darmon is used

    1. @RiedleroD 4y

      daemons are just processes that run in the background for a long time, they're very useful for various stuff.

      1. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 4y

        I want your opinion for something... I am not okay with any of these solutions...

      2. @callofvoid0 4y

        whats the difference between daemon and thread ?

        1. @CcxCZ 4y

          Threads share memory space and processes (usually) don't. Also signals and exitcodes are a process thing (on unix-like platforms). Daemon is just a process that doesn't interact with the user directly. In olden days it meant it detached from controlling terminal of user session and thus stopped getting session signals along with user input. (This is more and more recognized as a bad practice and dedicated process supervisors are used, first well known one was daemontools)

          1. @RiedleroD 4y

            bad practice? But isn't basically everything started by systemd a daemon?

            1. @CcxCZ 4y

              I'm talking specifically about processes that put themselves into background via double-fork and setsid (or equivalent) as opposed to letting supervisor do the processes management. The thing with signals and PIDs on unix is it's racy and the only process that can safely send a signal (in absence of freezer cgroup or similar platform-specific mechanism) is the direct parent as the kernel doesn't reuse the PID until wait() has been called from it.

              1. @RiedleroD 4y

                ah, I see

          2. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 4y

            I don’t get why it is a bad practice a separate low footprint process is useful for chat type apps to poll for new notifications. Instead of loading up a whole electron framework with chromium

            1. @CcxCZ 4y

              Bad practice I was talking of was running background processes without any kind of supervision, relying only on not very robust mechanism of writing down process id in a plain file. Of course daemon processes are useful and they were here since the start of UNIX.

              1. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 4y

                Loool okay well thats not how its supposed to be done

                1. @CcxCZ 4y

                  That's how it has been done since the inception though, many textbooks cover it, for example otherwise excellent APUE. It wasn't until DJB made daemontools that supervision started to be looked at as an option. And it took literal decades of disbelief and flamewars.

        2. @CcxCZ 4y

          In other words process consists of one or more threads of execution that share resources, while processes are generally isolated. Incidentally on Windows the scheduler and memory manager was so bad they had to cram most backround services into few (daemon) processes called svchost.exe that load dynamic libraries for each service and run them as threads. This is really horrible for reliability as any error or fault will bring or possibly silently corrupt the whole thing.

  5. @ZgGPuo8dZef58K6hxxGVj3Z2 4y

    Unless the OS can do that with a Push Notification service

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