Wayland Protocol: Solves Repeated Keypresses, Still No Consistent Cursors

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An XKCD-style stick figure comic with two characters. The first panel has text at the top reading 'IT TOOK A LOT OF WORK, BUT THE WAYLAND PROTOCOL ENABLES SUPPORT FOR HANDLING REPEATED KEYPRESSES SLIGHTLY BETTER IN REMOTE DESKTOP SESSIONS.' The second character holding a laptop asks 'DO YOU HAVE CURSORS THAT FUNCTION AND DRAW IDENTICALLY ACROSS ALL APPS YET?' The first character responds 'NO, BUT WHO USES THAT?' The comic satirizes the Wayland display protocol's development priorities, where obscure edge cases get attention while fundamental usability issues like consistent cursor rendering across applications remain unsolved. Classic XKCD minimalist art style with hand-drawn stick figures

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Anonymous ★ Top Pick Wayland is proof that you can rewrite X11 from scratch and still ship a TODO comment where cursor consistency should be

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Wayland is proof that you can rewrite X11 from scratch and still ship a TODO comment where cursor consistency should be
@RiedleroD 7mo

does X? does windows? no? curious.
1. @VolodyaReal 7mo
  
  NoOS? I've never heard of this before.
  
  @SamsonovAnton 7mo
  
  "NoOS" (No Operating System) isn't a single OS but a concept referring to systems running directly on hardware (bare-metal), often for specific embedded or development purposes. Key examples include Analog Devices' 'no-OS' framework for bare-metal drivers for hardware control and personal projects like building minimal kernels in C++ or Rust for learning, highlighting portable, stripped-down software environments for devices lacking full OS support. 🤓
  
  @hyena_stuff 7mo
  
  It's amazing: it doesn't have telemetry, ads, bloatware, or any of that bullshit - and it takes up less space than ANY other operating system!
dev_meme 7mo

how about my multi-window positioning and window restoration? when?
1. dev_meme 7mo
  
  this, as example
dev_meme 7mo

they probably won't do that until someone like valve comes in and says to
@Johnny_bit 7mo

wayland seems too opiniated. X11 was mostly fine IMHO :)
1. dev_meme 7mo
  
  it is, in fact, opinionated some actually needed features don't get implemented because of reasons like "ew no, it's too Xorg"
  
  @tema3210 7mo
  
  Which ones?
  
  @Johnny_bit 7mo
  
  Xlibre fixes this ;)
  
  dev_meme 7mo
  
  ...i'd say xlibre is quite debatable
  
  @TheFloofyFloof 7mo
  
  fixes is a strong word
  
  @nwordtech 7mo
  
  Xlibre is just one man schizo sandbox with alleged "improvements"
  
  dev_meme 7mo
  
  Exactly as intended 🙌
@Johnny_bit 7mo

wayland and it's alleged "improvements" https://gist.github.com/probonopd/9feb7c20257af5dd915e3a9f2d1f2277 :P
1. @deimossos 7mo
  
  So it boils down to arguments that are not true anymore (I run nvidia 620M and it works fine with sway) And to "may not be implemented I'm every system" (it's your fault you don't have desktop portal installed, its called security)
  
  @RiedleroD 7mo
  
  "bumfuckwm doesn't support-" if you want a seamless experience maybe install gnome or kde
  
  @RiedleroD 7mo
  
  note: gnome is ass, but that's for entirely different reasons. no opinion on kde
  
  @feedable 7mo
  
  gnome is rthe one not supporting anything
  
  @sylfn 7mo
  
  sharing individual windows was not supposed by wlroots for a long time, but worked fine in both gnome and kde
  
  @feedable 7mo
  
  well except for that yeah
  
  @RiedleroD 7mo
  
  what no they supported a lot of stuff before wayland proper had an official protocol for it similar story to KDE
  
  @feedable 7mo
  
  gnome does not support layer shell and decorations, and has made a continuous effort not to support those
  
  @RiedleroD 7mo
  
  …does wlroots even support decorations?
  
  @sylfn 7mo
  
  csd? yes ssd? basic ones
  
  @RiedleroD 7mo
  
  …unshorten that please
  
  @feedable 7mo
  
  {client,server}-side decorations
  
  @RiedleroD 7mo
  
  right
  
  @sylfn 7mo
  
  client-side decorations (app-side/toolkit-side) are supported server-side decorations (compositor-side) are supported and on by default for tiled windows they are basic and look like i3
  
  @RiedleroD 7mo
  
  …in sway. I don't think wlroots has those ssd by default?
  
  @sylfn 7mo
  
  yeah i meant in sway
  
  @feedable 7mo
  
  there's nothing to be done compositor-side for csd support
  
  @feedable 7mo
  
  yes
  
  @feedable 7mo
  
  the protocol at least, yes
  
  @RiedleroD 7mo
  
  but yea, I have an old nvidia PC at my mom's place, and it works… ok. sway is less buggy than i3 on it last time I tested, which was around a year ago.
  
  @RiedleroD 7mo
  
  nvidia on linux is just kinda terrible in general
  
  @sysoevyarik 7mo
  
  "linux terribly handles nvidia cards" —⚽️—> "nvidia on linux is terrible"
  
  dev_meme 7mo
  
  shouldn't it be working fine on cards that support new "open" drivers?
  
  @sysoevyarik 7mo
  
  idk, i had only one laptop with nvidia&linux and it worked bad. it was like from year 2016, is it old?
  
  dev_meme 7mo
  
  .
  
  @Daonifur 7mo
  
  Anything 10 years old is considered old but tbf there haven't been too many improvements other than with ram and cpu/GPU type stuff, HDD etc
  
  @Daonifur 7mo
  
  One big improvement is the new standards for USB so that's definitely a reason to consider upgrading but OS stuff hasn't improved too much on the Windows side
  
  @RiedleroD 7mo
  
  it's ok. not great
  
  dev_meme 7mo
  
  i said fine
  
  @RiedleroD 7mo
  
  nvidia refused to do anything to work ok on linux for decades → linux terribly handles nvidia cards
  
  @RiedleroD 7mo
  
  it's getting better luckily, but this situation is entirely self-inflicted on nvidia's side
  
  @sysoevyarik 7mo
  
  nvidia refused to do anything to work ok on nonamerandomOS for decades → nonamerandomOS can't handle nvidia cards. Definitely not a problem on nonamerandomOS side
  
  @RiedleroD 7mo
  
  linux is literally shipped with windows now wdym noname
  
  @feedable 7mo
  
  well i mean, nouveau had a pretty decent shader compiler, too bad it wouldn't reclock because nvidia required signed firmware for that
  
  @nightingazer 7mo
  
  oh, yeah, because reverse engineering a bloody driver for a gpu with closed architecture and isa is so well within the linux community's responsibility. and one would be truly foolish to assume providing drivers to be a gpu vendor's responsibility, yeah, I am completely vibing with that
  
  @feedable 7mo
  
  well, as was said before, the isa part was figured out a long time ago
  
  @sysoevyarik 7mo
  
  Humor was discovered in year 420 bc. People in 421 bc:
@sylfn 7mo

winehq.org
1. @sylfn 7mo
  
  if you think that's not enough, virtualbox.org
@sysoevyarik 7mo

so you can experience died drivers inside wsl inside lsw inside linux
Егор 7mo

where banana
@Ruscunaare 5mo

counterpoint - Niri works on Wayland and other scrolling wm alternatives are abandoned

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