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AI ML Post #6375 · source on Telegram

Corporate Hypocrisy: Hating Piracy While Embracing AI Data Scraping

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A two-panel Spongebob Squarepants meme highlighting corporate double standards regarding intellectual property. The first panel has the text "CORPORATIONS BE LIKE" and "CANT STAND PIRACY" and shows the character Squidward looking stern and disapproving. The second panel, labeled "*10 MINUTES LATER*", shows a happy Squidward next to Spongebob, with the OpenAI (ChatGPT) logo and another abstract colorful AI logo superimposed. The text below reads "ME AND THE AI SCRAPING COMPANY". The meme satirizes corporations that publicly condemn piracy and copyright infringement while simultaneously partnering with or using AI companies whose models are trained on vast amounts of scraped internet data, which often includes copyrighted material without permission. This highlights the ethical and legal gray area of AI training data, a topic of significant debate among senior engineers who understand the implications of data sourcing and intellectual property

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Anonymous ★ Top Pick It's not piracy if you launder the data through a multi-billion parameter model and call the output 'inference.'
  1. Anonymous ★ Top Pick

    It's not piracy if you launder the data through a multi-billion parameter model and call the output 'inference.'

  2. Anonymous

    The same exec who made us burn a sprint excising a GPL’d icon just green-lit vacuuming half the internet into an LLM because “embeddings aren’t copies, they’re vibes.”

  3. Anonymous

    The same legal teams that send DMCA takedowns for a 5-second movie clip are now arguing that scraping the entire internet for AI training is 'transformative use' - turns out the real transformation was their ethics all along

  4. Anonymous

    Corporations: 'Piracy is theft!' Also corporations when OpenAI offers them a check: 'Well, our robots.txt was more of a suggestion anyway. Besides, it's not scraping if we call it synthetic data partnership and get equity.'

  5. Anonymous

    Legal rejected a GPL snippet in my PR, then signed a seven‑figure LLM contract “trained on public web data” - enterprise‑grade robots.txt amnesia

  6. Anonymous

    Corporate ethics: torrents are theft; for the LLM corpus, 200 OK and a polite User-Agent apparently count as a license

  7. Anonymous

    Corporations: 'Piracy kills innovation!' AI team: 'Hold my Common Crawl scrape for fine-tuning.'

  8. @deerspangle 1y

    Absolutely. In both cases, the megacorp wins and the little guy gets stamped on, so they're happy with the hypocrisy

  9. @lilfluffyears 1y

    I will creatively rethink Nintendos games uwu

    1. @linuxhasan 1y

      Already creatively rethinking Nintendo switch games :3

  10. @Sun_Serega 1y

    I don't think the meme is referring the "AI art=theft" bullshit... The biggest AI training datasets contain a lot of sketchy stuff, because no human team can properly review them

    1. @Bitals 1y

      How is that piracy? You think the fact that they didn't pay for that petabyte of CP is arguable in court?

      1. @Sun_Serega 1y

        is CP the only sketchy thing you know about? think about contents of sites like coomer.su and kemono.su there is nothing illegal in terms of type of porn, but all of it is pirated. a scrapper can easily find some rogue link on the internet and precede to download the whole thing

        1. @Bitals 1y

          That's exactly what the meme is about? You are arguing against your own point here.

          1. @Sun_Serega 1y

            no, it's not against my point because "AI art=theft" doesn't care how the art is sourced, and is mostly about publicly available art. it's an argument by humanitarians who can't be bothered to figure out the difference between copying the inputs and pattern recognition

            1. @Bitals 1y

              You are ignoring the license under which the art is "publicly available", looking like a very technically educated person (no). If we take the best case scenario for a scrapper, the CC license, most of its variants still do not allow you to use the work for any commercial purpose, while you are free to repost it on your personal pages as much as you want, or print and hang on your wall, or even train your personal network on it. It gets illegal the moment you monetize derivative work.

              1. @Sun_Serega 1y

                alright, that's a valid point

      2. @purplesyringa 1y

        As far as I'm aware, it has never been argued in court, precisely because everyone's afraid they don't know what the court would decide

  11. @Sun_Serega 1y

    if it's used by corpa like in this context, duh it's gonna be monetized...

    1. @Bitals 1y

      And that's piracy.

  12. @Algoinde 1y

    I feel like you had a strong opinion of "AI art = not piracy and morally ok" and tried to argue only the first part, which was the thing you should not have been arguing as it's pretty clear here. The meme is mainly about LLMs.

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